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#26 2012-08-03 6:57pm

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Re: A Gentlemans Chat. Topic #2

Mongoose will outlive our great grandchildren....... And I honestly dont fault them for what they did. BMX was flatlining and the owners did what they thought was right to provide for their employees and families. Id have done the same. Because at the end of the day if i have to choose between a strangers opinion of me or whats best for my family ? guess who wins ?


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#27 2012-08-03 6:57pm

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Kurt_Rad wrote:

So with all that said, where do you feel Haro fits into he mix?

When Haro was sold in what, late 92', Bob and innovation left. The name alone is what kept it afloat for the years after that in my opinion. The bikes lacked, however the timing of the sale was good and bad, good for Bob, bad for Haro as a company. Times were tough in the BMX world. They've done a good job keeping the company alive through trying times and have never gone the full "sell out" route.
I applaud the recent addition of Dennis McCoy, it shows a connection to the past even if the motivation
is purely market position.
Haro is still relevant today and holds a solid position in the marketplace and in the eyes of riders, young and old.
In my opinion. lol


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#28 2012-08-03 6:59pm

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#29 2012-08-03 7:04pm

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I'd have to say Hutch.  Grab almost any family member, exec or line worker from that company and they'll tell you...

The company that went down in flames that makes me the most sad is BMX Products.  I would have loved to been a part of that in their heyday.

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#30 2012-08-03 7:11pm

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I cant think of any company that hasn't had a demise. really the only big company i think of off hand that has stayed true and stayed profitable is s&m but they arent quite as old as we're talking about here.


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#31 2012-08-03 7:19pm

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Id say Mongoose, some GT's (I dont know what year they sold out, I know since 2008-09 they seem to be decent, the Calafia (sp?) is a nice complete, I rode one at a shop in 09 I think.

and last but not least...DK...when you go Wally World, you dont go back neutral

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#32 2012-08-03 7:20pm

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Kurt_Rad wrote:

So with all that said, where do you feel Haro fits into he mix?

At my one lbs  they have a lot of $300 Haros and RLs. To me, they all seem like over priced dept.
store bikes. Not close to what they were years ago....
With that said, I must add that the Haro aftermarket frames are nice and Seem well made smile
As for RL, the only thing new thats any good, that I've seen are Race bikes. But they look top of the line...

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#33 2012-08-03 7:21pm

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crownrox wrote:

Mongoose will outlive our great grandchildren....... And I honestly dont fault them for what they did. BMX was flatlining and the owners did what they thought was right to provide for their employees and families. Id have done the same. Because at the end of the day if i have to choose between a strangers opinion of me or whats best for my family ? guess who wins ?

I do agree with this statement...


you put in the "what would I do if..." and I would of done the same thing so my family would be taken care of in all ways. cool

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#34 2012-08-03 7:27pm

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bmxerpete wrote:

What constitutes a prolific demise? I think a company that is at the top of the heap one minute, and then suffers a spectacular implosion leaving unpaid athletes and lawsuits in it's wake as well as federal tax fraud charges, then has multiple parties claiming ownership and more lawsuits, and then has an overhyped re-launch with missed delivery dates, overpriced parts that fail and legions of angry customers demanding their money back only to be charged restocking fees for products that were never made...I think that company would get my vote.

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#35 2012-12-18 12:12pm

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#36 2012-12-18 12:23pm

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#37 2012-12-18 2:09pm

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Hutch ate it pretty hard.
When youre regarded as highly as they were in the day, you have a long way to fall.
They were high profile and thats what made it prolific.
Its also (IMO) what adds to the mythos.
I also had GTs but Im not in any hurry to rebuild any of them as the only reason I bought them was because the Hutches from Western Auto broke my heart.

JDB isnt breaking me heart with the repops.
Hes teaching me how to love again.
lol


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#38 2012-12-18 2:20pm

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EzDz wrote:

Hutch ate it pretty hard.
When youre regarded as highly as they were in the day, you have a long way to fall.
They were high profile and thats what made it prolific.
Its also (IMO) what adds to the mythos.
I also had GTs but Im not in any hurry to rebuild any of them as the only reason I bought them was because the Hutches from Western Auto broke my heart.

JDB isnt breaking me heart with the repops.
Hes teaching me how to love again.
lol

IBTL...

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#39 2015-07-18 5:27pm

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Kurt_Rad wrote:

Many bike companies flourished in the 1970's and 1980's during the heydey of BMX only to fade into obscurity and/or inferior low quality products from the 90's on. Which company experienced the most prolific demise? Discuss.

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#40 2015-07-18 5:51pm

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The demise of Homeless Bikes (copy/paste from Jay Brands Homeless Bikes blog)

Under the direction of Parrickand Shepherd, Homeless created two videos which would go on to become legendery in the realm of BMX videos: Highway to Hell, released in 1992, and Trash, released one year later and described as "A film based loosely on the handrail". Both broke entirely new ground on the riding of the era, and I honestly dont have enough words in my vocabulary to explain why they are so integral to the progression of BMX riding. Mat Hoffman may have been the first rider to fiqure out how to grind a handrail, but it was the Homeless crew that opened up BMX's collective eyes to the possibility of what could be done on a handrail; something that is still being explored almost twenty years later.

But that wasnt the only influence that Homeless had on the BMX scene. Without even trying, the Homeless brand and team posessed a certin aesthetic and stylistic approach to BMX, which at the time, really wasnt on anyones's minds. They hired an artist named Gregg Higgins to create the look of Homelessads and graphics, mixing black and white 70's era images of pimps and cretins with progressive riding photos, such as tailwhips over spines, icepicks down rails and fakie peg stalls on street signs. Sometimes, the ads made outrageous claims (such as the Craig Grasso pro model) and sometimes, the ads simply quoted rap lyrics from the Black Sheep. It was a bizarre mix of original, technical, street riding, backlash against corporate BMX companies and subversive imagery. Maybe it was just me, but at the time, I ate it up for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Things changed pretty drasticly after the release of Trash. The brand, which was being run by James Shepherd and Gregg Hansen, was purchased from the original owner by Hansen. Following the purchase, Shepherd was pushed out of the company, leaving the Homeless entirely to Hansen. Most of the team followed Shepherd and after attempts were made by Shepherd to start two new companies, Homeless Jr. at first and later on Family bikes. Nothing ever came to frutation with either company, but once again, the ads created by both ventures were iconic.

Original Homeless partner Gregg Hansen soldiered on with Homeless for a few more years, moving all manufacturing in house to a machine shop in Austin, sponsoring the likes of Dylan Worsley and Nate Hansen and releasing new frames such as the Pornstar and the Player. Slowly, Homeless became an entirely diffrent entinty, from the product to the team to the very feel and ethos of the company. Unfortunately, this turn of events led to the demise of Homeless Bikes. But the influence that Homeless had on riding, wether you know it or not, is going to be fely for a long time


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#41 2015-07-18 6:25pm

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"And then, in 1997, according to various sources, the Homeless Bikes machine shop burned down in Austin, TX."   <<from bmxmuseum. com bikes Homeless pg

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#42 2015-07-18 7:42pm

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Re: A Gentlemans Chat. Topic #2

Not saying that their demise is necessarily more prolific than others mentioned on this thread, but I'll throw Schwinn in there.  Once upon a time, that name meant something.  Now, the only people the name means something to are those who hold on to what the company used to be.


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