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#26 2021-05-19 7:48am

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The cranks are made here.

I guess the thread is done already. lol

You may be the nicest guy in the world but every time I see you reply on here you come off arrogant and rude.

In John's defense, if I were him I would also keep my response short.  Long enough to let you know I listen to customer feedback.  But short enough to not have something I say be taken out of context or misquoted.  Despite people trying to make this place something else, for now it's still America.  A small business owner has the right to make his own financial decisions and say or say not what he wants.  Maybe folks here would like to live in another country.

Stall the political bullshit man. Simple fact is hardly anybody is digging the price hike on John products nor the company for that matter as it’s no secret and hasn’t been for a LONG ASS TIME. The few that stand by his products around here stay silent for the simple fact they know they got greased for there money. Who are you all of all sudden? His defense attorney? GTFO...roll

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#27 2021-05-19 7:53am

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JDB Aerospeeds look much more difficult to manufacture. There was a video on YouTube a long time ago showing the process. Welding and blending the stamped "arms" together like they do is really something. Far cry from the squashed tubes that RL and Profile produce. Titanium spindle as well.


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#28 2021-05-19 7:54am

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#29 2021-05-19 7:59am

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JDB Aerospeeds look much more difficult to manufacture. There was a video on YouTube a long time ago showing the process. Welding and blending the stamped "arms" together like they do is really something. Far cry from the squashed tubes that RL and Profile produce. Titanium spindle as well.

Say WHAAAAAT?! So I guess Profile cranks are junk? Huh, thats new to me:/ Big deal about Ti spindles, got one in my Profiles, not a "hard to get" thing.


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#30 2021-05-19 8:08am

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#31 2021-05-19 8:16am

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justlive wrote:

I can understand if his stuff was made here...

The cranks are made here.

I guess the thread is done already. lol

No, because I wasn't only referring to the cranks with that statement. It still doesn't explain the enormous price hike on the same cranks you've been selling for years.


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#32 2021-05-19 8:18am

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#33 2021-05-19 8:19am

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I’ve never even looked at or considered purchasing any JDB product.

Your loss, my Cruiser is a sweet ride, fun well balanced and maintains a proper vintage look.  I'd run the modern version of the cranks on my 85 Trick Star if I didn't still have Flites from BITD for it, that I picked up in the 80s.https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 0e4932.jpg
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Yes, unfortunately it was my loss buying a frame that I waited years to come to fruition. Only to finally get it and see how horribly designed it was.


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#34 2021-05-19 8:20am

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givebloodridebmx wrote:

Wrenchspinner wrote:

JDB Aerospeeds look much more difficult to manufacture. There was a video on YouTube a long time ago showing the process. Welding and blending the stamped "arms" together like they do is really something. Far cry from the squashed tubes that RL and Profile produce. Titanium spindle as well.

Say WHAAAAAT?! So I guess Profile cranks are junk? Huh, thats new to me:/ Big deal about Ti spindles, got one in my Profiles, not a "hard to get" thing.

Not saying that at all. The Profile design is so good that it's remained virtually unchanged all these years. Proof positive is JDB's adoption of the same spindle/arm interface. Redline's Flight design is pretty much mimicked by every other manufacturer. Proof that the pinch design is also great. Now when talking money, titanium is difficult to machine and very expensive. I never once mentioned rare.


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#35 2021-05-19 8:22am

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mroze1 wrote:

justlive wrote:

John De Bruin wrote:

The cranks are made here.

I guess the thread is done already. lol

No, because I wasn't only referring to the cranks with that statement. It still doesn't explain the enormous price hike on the same cranks you've been selling for years.

Prices are up on all bike parts, as well as Trucks, bacon, lumber, etc, etc.

His prices were getting out of hand way before this Covid nonsense. That's why it seems so obvious not only to me but many others that he's just taking advantage of the situation.


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#36 2021-05-19 8:28am

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Isn't it only the cranks that went up?  Literally doubled from one run to the next?

I haven't seen any other Hutch products price increase a penny.  But for some reason the cranks did dramatically.


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#37 2021-05-19 8:28am

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Ok, I know the topic of JDB is touchy for a lot of you but here is my two cents:

I met John years ago and he seemed to be a decent person with a passion for the Hutch brand.  All good.

The way the free market economy works is businesses will charge as much for a product in demand as the market will allow.  If Hutch cranks cost a million dollars and people paid that amount, then a million dollars is the right price.  If people won't pay that amount, then the price will be lowered or the business will fail.  John knows this and that is how he chooses to run his business.  If he lowered the price to $150 per crankset, people would buy them and not complain.

Bottom line, if you don't like the price, business practice or person, nobody is forcing you to give your money to Hutch.  Arguing over this makes as much sense as arguing over what flavor of ice cream is the best.  We all have our preferences.

I understand how a free market economy works. I understand that the price that people are willing to pay will dictate the market. But I also understand that if someone wants or needs a particular part then they have no other choice but to pay that price. Not because they want to, or because they feel it's a fair price. But simply because if they don't then they will have to go without. And this is what guys like JDB bank on.


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#38 2021-05-19 8:38am

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And for God sake please stop comparing the bmx industry to major automobile manufacturers. There is zero comparison. You have millions of people buying automobiles daily all over the world. And I understand the bmx bikes/parts surplus are depleted. But that doesn't mean once they are back in stock you need to raise the prices astronomically. A lot of this stuff was already pricey before Covid for the average Joe to justify getting into the sport. Not to mention any kids who want to get involved trying to convince their parents to drop over $1k to build them a quality bike. It's ridiculous. Right now it's all about certain people taking advantage of a situation.


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#39 2021-05-19 9:16am

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hahaha... Will this thread mysteriously disappear like the one from yesterday?
It amazes when I see "some" threads die while others that are far more hostile live on.

+1 blows my mind.


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#40 2021-05-19 9:24am

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Right now it's all about certain people taking advantage of a situation.

Back over here in the real world, what it actually is is your "wants" cannot be fulfilled by your financial ability, and then you manifest the anger by blaming others for your own shortcomings. I feel that way about a $3,000 oil change, which is why I won't buy a Ferrari. But I also don't waste my time on Ferrari forums bashing the brand over $3,000 oil changes when I understand that it is my own inability to afford the maintenance which is the root cause of the problem. The solution is putting in more effort to gain the financial ability to afford the things that you want. Or...you could continue to mire here in the mud of the sh*t-show thread you created.

Carry on...

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#41 2021-05-19 9:29am

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John De Bruin wrote:

justlive wrote:

I can understand if his stuff was made here...

The cranks are made here.

I guess the thread is done already. lol

John, I don't know you. You could be the nicest guy in the world. But this response is incomplete. If you just answered why the price is what it is without smiley faces, people might have more respect for your company/brand. If it truly is just price gouging, just say so. Own it.

he clearly do's not care to have are respect. just are cash.


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#42 2021-05-19 9:41am

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justlive wrote:

Right now it's all about certain people taking advantage of a situation.

Back over here in the real world, what it actually is is your "wants" cannot be fulfilled by your financial ability, and then you manifest the anger by blaming others for your own shortcomings. I feel that way about a $3,000 oil change, which is why I won't buy a Ferrari. But I also don't waste my time on Ferrari forums bashing the brand over $3,000 oil changes when I understand that it is my own inability to afford the maintenance which is the root cause of the problem. The solution is putting in more effort to gain the financial ability to afford the things that you want. Or...you could continue to mire here in the mud of the sh*t-show thread you created.

Carry on...

John, really? Are you really comparing your HUTCH cranks to a Ferrari (or Ferrari oil change)?
Are your cranks made of solid gold? What sets your product apart from other brands to warrant the price tag? Seems like a fair question.

Instead of getting argumentative with us, be a salesman and tout your products.
Business acumen 101.

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#43 2021-05-19 9:45am

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#44 2021-05-19 9:57am

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John De Bruin wrote:

justlive wrote:

Right now it's all about certain people taking advantage of a situation.

Back over here in the real world, what it actually is is your "wants" cannot be fulfilled by your financial ability, and then you manifest the anger by blaming others for your own shortcomings. I feel that way about a $3,000 oil change, which is why I won't buy a Ferrari. But I also don't waste my time on Ferrari forums bashing the brand over $3,000 oil changes when I understand that it is my own inability to afford the maintenance which is the root cause of the problem. The solution is putting in more effort to gain the financial ability to afford the things that you want. Or...you could continue to mire here in the mud of the sh*t-show thread you created.

Carry on...

Lol. Now THAT I see touched a nerve. You should really copy and paste that quote on the home page of your site. See how that strikes the chord in your customer base...You have no clue what my "financial ability" is. And just the fact that you would imply that myself or anyone else for that matter are simply crying because we might not be able to afford it just shows your character as a business man. There's a difference between being able to afford something and simply refusing to on the basis of price gouging. And as a consumer we are also free to share our experiences or grievances with a company or product on forums such as this. If you can't handle the criticism I suggest maybe you're in the wrong business. It's not like you or your knock off Hutch brand would be missed. Deuces!


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#45 2021-05-19 10:03am

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BMX3353 wrote:

hahaha... Will this thread mysteriously disappear like the one from yesterday?
It amazes when I see "some" threads die while others that are far more hostile live on.

+1 blows my mind.

And not deleted, but moved....out of the brightlights of catchall

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#46 2021-05-19 10:09am

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#47 2021-05-19 10:21am

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You have no clue what my "financial ability" is.

Your complete quote that I excerpted was rambling about things being "pricey" to the "average Joe"...which is all fair assumption of something being priced out of one's ability for purchase.

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#48 2021-05-19 10:34am

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#49 2021-05-19 10:35am

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Isn't it only the cranks that went up?  Literally doubled from one run to the next?

I haven't seen any other Hutch products price increase a penny.  But for some reason the cranks did dramatically.

Wonder why they don’t have the Og type bottom bracket.....that would have been so cool.


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#50 2021-05-19 10:38am

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BMX3353 wrote:

John De Bruin wrote:

justlive wrote:

Right now it's all about certain people taking advantage of a situation.

Back over here in the real world, what it actually is is your "wants" cannot be fulfilled by your financial ability, and then you manifest the anger by blaming others for your own shortcomings. I feel that way about a $3,000 oil change, which is why I won't buy a Ferrari. But I also don't waste my time on Ferrari forums bashing the brand over $3,000 oil changes when I understand that it is my own inability to afford the maintenance which is the root cause of the problem. The solution is putting in more effort to gain the financial ability to afford the things that you want. Or...you could continue to mire here in the mud of the sh*t-show thread you created.

Carry on...

John, really? Are you really comparing your HUTCH cranks to a Ferrari (or Ferrari oil change)?
Are your cranks made of solid gold? What sets your product apart from other brands to warrant the price tag? Seems like a fair question.

Instead of getting argumentative with us, be a salesman and tout your products.
Business acumen 101.

NO reread what he typed.....no I do not agree with his way.


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