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S&M LTF rebuild

#1 2020-04-11 1:43pm

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S&M LTF rebuild

This is going to be a slow thread after the first few days, but i am going to documet it all anyways.  I recently picked up this S&M LTF and i have been chipping away at restoring it.  It is a factory raw frame but it has corroded a bit beyond what i like.  https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/208397/20200320_1147305e9226d39d.jpg

Never knew that the seat tube on the LTF's was stepped up at the end to allow for only a super short seat post.
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#2 2020-04-11 1:47pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

Brake posts all cleaned up. (Tapped and sanded)

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#3 2020-04-11 2:00pm

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This is after i stripped the clear coat off the frame.  Much better already.  The idea is to preserve the bluing on the welds and dissolve the corrosion.

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#4 2020-04-11 2:02pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

I use Naval Jelly to neutralize the rust.  Stuff is awesome

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#5 2020-04-11 2:17pm

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After a few minutes i noticed some definite improvements.  I also noticed a new problem.  The naval jelly dissolved the rust amazingly, but it also dissolved all the bluing! yikesmadhttps://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/208397/20200405_1758065e923141b6.jpg
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#6 2020-04-11 2:21pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

And thats pretty much where im at so far.  I also cleaned up one of the dropouts a bit, but i havent grabbed any decent pics as im not done yet.  So my plan of restoring the factory raw look is shot lol . Now i dont have to worry about sanding the frame anymore i guess.  I need to figure out a cool color to paint it or powder it though.   I plan on using a bunch of parts from this WTP i built to build this up.  My goto color is black.

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#7 2020-04-11 3:10pm

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Bummer about the heat marks sad

In for the build smile

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#8 2020-04-11 3:54pm

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I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.


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#9 2020-04-11 5:57pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

BRICKOS2 wrote:

Bummer about the heat marks sad

In for the build smile

Its gonna be worth it cool


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I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.

In hindsight i would have sprayed a clear on it right after i stripped the original clear off.  The original clear was flaking off pretty heavily in a lot of places.  But it did look a lot better when i stripped the rotten clear off.  But i had no idea that the naval jelly would take the heat coloring off when it dissoved the rust.  I was pretty excited to get the frame back to its original look at that time.  Too bad i guess.

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#10 2020-04-11 6:01pm

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Will definately be following this thread build! i still regret not buying one brand new at a employee discount when these were available.


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#11 2020-04-11 6:04pm

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Will definately be following this thread build! i still regret not buying one brand new at a employee discount when these were available.

It is definitely on of the coolest frames that S&M ever made.  Cant wait to ride it.

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#12 2020-04-11 6:07pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

jray02r1 wrote:

changachump wrote:

I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.

In hindsight i would have sprayed a clear on it right after i stripped the original clear off.  The original clear was flaking off pretty heavily in a lot of places.  But it did look a lot better when i stripped the rotten clear off.  But i had no idea that the naval jelly would take the heat coloring off when it dissoved the rust.  I was pretty excited to get the frame back to its original look at that time.  Too bad i guess.

Yeah, sorry. I don't mean to be a douche! lol

I'm sure there were issues with the finish that necessitated this. Build on!


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#13 2020-04-11 6:20pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

changachump wrote:

jray02r1 wrote:

changachump wrote:

I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.

In hindsight i would have sprayed a clear on it right after i stripped the original clear off.  The original clear was flaking off pretty heavily in a lot of places.  But it did look a lot better when i stripped the rotten clear off.  But i had no idea that the naval jelly would take the heat coloring off when it dissoved the rust.  I was pretty excited to get the frame back to its original look at that time.  Too bad i guess.

Yeah, sorry. I don't mean to be a douche! lol

I'm sure there were issues with the finish that necessitated this. Build on!

No prob, i typically like to keep everything original nowdays, but i love messing withframes that need a new life too.

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#14 2020-04-11 6:35pm

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jray02r1 wrote:

BRICKOS2 wrote:

Bummer about the heat marks sad

In for the build smile

Its gonna be worth it cool


changachump wrote:

I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.

In hindsight i would have sprayed a clear on it right after i stripped the original clear off.  The original clear was flaking off pretty heavily in a lot of places.  But it did look a lot better when i stripped the rotten clear off.  But i had no idea that the naval jelly would take the heat coloring off when it dissoved the rust.  I was pretty excited to get the frame back to its original look at that time.  Too bad i guess.

Does anyone make a clear powder?





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#15 2020-04-11 7:05pm

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Re: S&M LTF rebuild

eric12 wrote:

jray02r1 wrote:

BRICKOS2 wrote:

Bummer about the heat marks sad

In for the build smile

Its gonna be worth it cool


changachump wrote:

I would have put on 5 coats of gloss. That patina was awesome.

In hindsight i would have sprayed a clear on it right after i stripped the original clear off.  The original clear was flaking off pretty heavily in a lot of places.  But it did look a lot better when i stripped the rotten clear off.  But i had no idea that the naval jelly would take the heat coloring off when it dissoved the rust.  I was pretty excited to get the frame back to its original look at that time.  Too bad i guess.

Does anyone make a clear powder?



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#16 2021-08-30 10:48am

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Well after a year of sitting on my bench, I have made some progress.  I dropped it off at the powder coating shop today along with my Sabbath.  I'm excited to get it back next week.  A color has been chosen, I feel it's gonna be awesome.

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#17 2021-08-30 10:50am

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Also scored these o.g. decals.  cool

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cool
Had to be tough to find those


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#19 2021-08-30 1:06pm

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cool
Had to be tough to find those

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Very cool, hx for sharing process, and the great pics..from iphone?
I think abit more polish and a tranz color to see the welds etc...

I added detail to mine.. L.A.F...Greg Higgins painted it..
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#21 2021-08-30 1:32pm

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#22 2021-08-30 3:05pm

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Definitely one of the coolest frames ever! So much detail! Seeing yours freshened up might motivate me to do the same to mine.


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#23 2021-08-30 7:18pm

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Looking forward to seeing what colour you chose! Did you go with something inkeeping for the LTF Frames or S&M in general or just go a bit batshit crazy with it?

The LAF, LTF & WTF Frames came at a time S&M really felt on another level. Some of their products weren't the best, but we were in a time where lightweight was king & strength was a distant third or fourth? Weight, Specs, Colour, Strength/Warranty haha.

As much as I love the LTF, I'd love to get an Olive Green or possibly White LAF with Welded CS Mounts!

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#24 2021-08-30 7:53pm

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I wish they would do a reissue LTF that fit a fattie in the rear but these are still awesome! 2.25 life lol

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#25 2021-08-30 8:11pm

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That thing would look killer a tan or light olive green and built up mid school style. Makes me miss all the LTF frames I had lol

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