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#1 2019-09-17 7:37am

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Let's talk collarbones :(

Since it's apparently one of the most common injuries, I figured I'd start a discussion on it.  Also, I'm 4 weeks into a broken collarbone myself.

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Who here has broken one?  What was your recovery like?  Did you suck it up and heal naturally or get the surgery?

So far, I've seen two surgeons, and they both recommended healing naturally, but they also both said that I could opt for surgery if I wanted to.  I decided to see how the non-surgery route goes.

I went for my 3 week check up a week ago.  I thought I would see some difference on the x-rays, but it really pretty much looked the same to me.  The doc said that that was normal and that, since the bones have pretty much stayed put, it is actually a good result so far.  I go back again at 7 weeks post injury for another round of x-rays. 

So.  Big question is, for those that healed without surgery, how long was it, really, before you were back on the track?  I initially expected to not get back out there until next year.  But, not that I really want to push it or anything, our Stat Finals is going to be at 8 weeks post injury for me.  I'm feeling pretty good at this point.  It feels stable enough, but I'm not doing a lot with it.  I'm not wearing a brace for the most part, so my range of motion is pretty good all around.  I do have pain still, though, mostly in my shoulder when I raise my arm out to the side or across my body, and there is some dull pain in general at the fracture spot.

Also, I know it's not an area that can be protected very easily, but did anyone try to do that, especially as you were getting back on the bike?  I have a TLD shirt, but I also was looking at the evs shoulder brace.  Not sure if either of them would have really help in my fall, but I wonder what you guys have experienced or done.

Here’s my pictures. Makes me cring just looking at them.

Initial x-rays:

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Three weeks plus 2 days x-ray:
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#2 2019-09-17 8:35am

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

yikes


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#3 2019-09-17 9:07am

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How in the hell is that gong to heal naturally? yikes


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#4 2019-09-17 9:18am

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

I dumped my MTB into a rock garden in 2005 and busted my collarbone.

Went to ER after and they said put it in a sling and wait for it to heal.

Now 15 years later I have to be very careful what exercises I do/don't do.

Still can't do much bench press, anything more than about 125 pounds and I can
feel the old injury "ache" a little and know better than to continue lifting.

That said it's the main reason why I haven't taken my cruiser down to the track
for some playtime. One small crash and I could be really screwed for months    sad

Do I really want to go through re injuring my shoulder at 47 years old? Not really            hmm


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#5 2019-09-17 9:29am

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

Iceman wrote:

How in the hell is that gong to heal naturally? yikes

lol, I know.  That's what I thought too.  That's why I ended up going to a second doctor to get another opinion.  I think I understand it after listening to them and doing a lot of research on my own. 

The doc I'm following up with says that the way the bone is broken is a pretty good thing for healing.  It's not broken straight across and then pushed together.  It's broken along the bone as if you were to break a green stick in half, kind of like at an shallow angel across the bone.  Then it's pushed in about 1.3 cm.  So, the displacement is less than 2 cm, which is the normal threshold for recommending surgery.  But, more importantly, there's a lot of exposed bone surface that is facing each other to heal around.  That's the thing that should help me out the most.  If it were just a straight across, ends facing each other break, then there wouldn't be as much healing surface to work with.  Another thing is that it's only broken in one place, not a couple of places with a bunch of pieces that need to find their way back together.

I know.  It sounds crazy to me that it would heal on its own, but that's what these guys are telling me.  I guess if at 7 weeks it's not showing definite signs of healing, then I'll have a serious conversation about surgery.  At this point, I'm not too far away from my insurance deductible, so as long as it's this year it won't really cost me a lot (the damn ER bill for this is $3500 so far, btw.  They literally did nothing.  Morphine shot, three x-rays, and a cheap $10 Walgreen'a sling that isn't even the right kind.  Unbelievable).


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#6 2019-09-17 10:40am

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#8 2019-09-17 10:45am

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

Here we go.  This is my son's shoulder.  The 'specialist' said if he is the best left handed quarterback or pitcher his school has ever seen or he's going to be doing modeling, get the surgery.  He has a knot there.  I wish he had the surgery, the healing time is much shorter.
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#9 2019-09-17 1:18pm

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

I'm just recovered from my left side collar bone break. It's been about 8 weeks since the accident. It works a little differently over here in the UK though. As a result of waiting 6 weeks for my right side collar bone injury to heal, some 20 years previously and not being anywhere near "knitted". Plus another 4 weeks to "give it just a little extra", before they finally operated, I kind of told them that I was having the operation  and that was that.

If the operation is an option, take it! Within days you will be able to resume many day to day activities, like eating with both hands correctly, making coffee etc. With each passing day and with gentle, correct physio exercises, normality will return quicker than you would expect. I've been back on the bike several times now over the last few weeks and this previous Saturday, I had the first proper session of sending it again. The strength is not quite what it was but I'm very happy with the recovery.https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/221283/fb_img_15687516079125d814018bb.jpg
Xray of the surgery. You can just about see the break between screws.

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#10 2019-09-17 2:25pm

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

Garcia_58 wrote:

Here we go.  This is my son's shoulder.  The 'specialist' said if he is the best left handed quarterback or pitcher his school has ever seen or he's going to be doing modeling, get the surgery.  He has a knot there.  I wish he had the surgery, the healing time is much shorter.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 1abab4.jpg

That one looks pretty bad to me.  It looks more sheered straight across and then compressed in than mine. How big was the displacement on it?  Anything over 2.5 cm should be an automatic surgery, or that's what I've read everywhere anyways.  Some say over 2 cm.


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#11 2019-09-17 2:30pm

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

sycmatt wrote:

I'm just recovered from my left side collar bone break. It's been about 8 weeks since the accident. It works a little differently over here in the UK though. As a result of waiting 6 weeks for my right side collar bone injury to heal, some 20 years previously and not being anywhere near "knitted". Plus another 4 weeks to "give it just a little extra", before they finally operated, I kind of told them that I was having the operation  and that was that.

If the operation is an option, take it! Within days you will be able to resume many day to day activities, like eating with both hands correctly, making coffee etc. With each passing day and with gentle, correct physio exercises, normality will return quicker than you would expect. I've been back on the bike several times now over the last few weeks and this previous Saturday, I had the first proper session of sending it again. The strength is not quite what it was but I'm very happy with the recovery.https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 4018bb.jpg
Xray of the surgery. You can just about see the break between screws.

Dang, both sides!  That's rough.

How long after your recent one did you wait until the surgery?  Was it broken in more than one spot?

I've pretty much back to 100% able to do normal stuff at this point.  I would say I was that way probably after about 2.5 weeks for most things.  I even hit the gym for some stationary bike and machine work (nothing that really worked or moved the shoulder, though), and that went way better than I expected.  This week, I've been totally without my figure 8 brace, and my shoulder muscles aren't getting tired and sore like they did last week, so that seems good.  It's definitely feeling a little more stable and strong each day this week as well.


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#12 2019-09-17 11:08pm

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

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sycmatt wrote:

I'm just recovered from my left side collar bone break. It's been about 8 weeks since the accident. It works a little differently over here in the UK though. As a result of waiting 6 weeks for my right side collar bone injury to heal, some 20 years previously and not being anywhere near "knitted". Plus another 4 weeks to "give it just a little extra", before they finally operated, I kind of told them that I was having the operation  and that was that.

If the operation is an option, take it! Within days you will be able to resume many day to day activities, like eating with both hands correctly, making coffee etc. With each passing day and with gentle, correct physio exercises, normality will return quicker than you would expect. I've been back on the bike several times now over the last few weeks and this previous Saturday, I had the first proper session of sending it again. The strength is not quite what it was but I'm very happy with the recovery.https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 4018bb.jpg
Xray of the surgery. You can just about see the break between screws.

Dang, both sides!  That's rough.

How long after your recent one did you wait until the surgery?  Was it broken in more than one spot?

Yeah, 20 years apart and to the week! I waited 7 days for the surgery. That week was a pain in the arse though. The accident happened at a skate park in a town called Halifax but that town doesn't have an A&E (or ER to those of you in the States). So the ambulance took me to the next town of Huddersfield. It was late at night so things were slow but I got the x-ray but a consultant wasn't available so they told me to wait for a consultation appointment through the post. I wasn't happy with that so I decided that the next day I would go to another hospital near to where I live. The accident happened about 20 Miles from home.

To cut a long story short, I was x-rayed again at another hospital, had the consultation at a 3rd hospital and had surgery at a 4th! It was a crazy week!!


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#13 2019-09-18 5:42am

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Re: Let's talk collarbones :(

FairParkBMXer wrote:

Garcia_58 wrote:

Here we go.  This is my son's shoulder.  The 'specialist' said if he is the best left handed quarterback or pitcher his school has ever seen or he's going to be doing modeling, get the surgery.  He has a knot there.  I wish he had the surgery, the healing time is much shorter.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 1abab4.jpg

That one looks pretty bad to me.  It looks more sheered straight across and then compressed in than mine. How big was the displacement on it?  Anything over 2.5 cm should be an automatic surgery, or that's what I've read everywhere anyways.  Some say over 2 cm.

I don't remember, but I know it was under.


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