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#1 2008-09-16 3:37pm

Boydiggs
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New bike co.

Hey guys (and the two women on here),

A few buddies and I are in the beginnings of creating our own bike company selling all Chromo race bikes.  I know there are a few past or present bike company owners out here, so this is just to ask if anyone has any comments or suggestions for me about starting this venture.

Thanks, ANY feedback is much appreciated!!

-Kevin


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#2 2008-09-16 3:41pm

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Better have a big bank account - and you better trust the people you want to go into business with implicitly.  I've seen many business ventures destroy friendships.

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#3 2008-09-16 3:50pm

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Well thats true in all businesses.  I have a degree in entrepreneurship/venture MGT, my friend is in marketing, my other friend is in web design, and the last one is an engineer/welder.  It just seems like with us four and some cash we could take this pretty far.....

We all live bikes and love bikes, and even if it fails I think I would love to say I have done it.  I am really just trying to get a paid excuse to go to Nationals every weekend, lol, just kidding.........


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#4 2008-09-16 3:54pm

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CipherCode wrote:

Sounds awesome.

Serious question, is there a market for home grown race bikes?

I think if I had an assortment of Standard 125r-ish frames made for pure racing loaded with fancy components and gadgets the bike market would love it, plus I will also be selling products through a Dans Comp-like site, so even if the bikes didnt work the best I would have sales in with other products.

I really am leaning towards selling to the current China market that is falling in love with BMX more by the day.  You cant say no to over a billion customers that have grown up riding bikes in the city their whole lives already...........


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#5 2008-09-16 4:10pm

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I think that it would be a great idea. But, the truth is that the demand just isn't there. How many racers are there that actually ride tricked out, top notch frames? Very few and most are factory riders. You will ultimately face the same problem as companies such as JMC, DG, etc. The cost to produce a quality ride versus the volume of sales just isn't there.

Another option would be to build by individual order.

I love seeing US made, top quality bikes.


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#6 2008-09-16 4:31pm

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Oh I am definitely using JIT (Just In Time) manufacturing, atleast to start out.  I am only making 5-10 frames at a time and then letting the customer customize the color they want, painting it, and giving them the option to either just get the frame or to add any components to their bike (from my online store) if they choose to do so.

I am trying to keep the costs pretty low at first.  Its better to make little money and get a good name out there than to make good profit from the beginning.  It will be built straight out of ATL, and have the ability to customize using ANY parts available on the market.  If you want Answer Carbon forks and Kovachi wheels to go with your frame, you got it.....

I am trying to make this a quality frame with endless possibilities for components.  Plus if I try and sell completes I will have to pay those companies like Answer and Shimano to let me use their products on my completes.  This way, I am selling just frames and equiping them with what the customer wants from my online store.

Thanks guys!  I like to hear all good and bad things before starting a big venture..........


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#7 2008-09-16 4:51pm

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Re: New bike co.

cool,
The name
New Bike CO
or NBC is SWEET!
thats what i could name my company

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#8 2008-09-16 5:08pm

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you would have better luck making high-end street and park bikes, the market is a lot bigger and cats are less likely to get free rides from sponsors.  just saying, is all.  you go to the typical local race and you're bound to see a lot of stock or near-stock bikes, you go to the typical park or street spot and you're more likely to see custom builds, at least in my experience.

good luck whatever you choose.

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#9 2008-09-16 11:29pm

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Re: New bike co.

geezer sloth wrote:

you would have better luck making high-end street and park bikes, the market is a lot bigger and cats are less likely to get free rides from sponsors.  just saying, is all.  you go to the typical local race and you're bound to see a lot of stock or near-stock bikes, you go to the typical park or street spot and you're more likely to see custom builds, at least in my experience.

good luck whatever you choose.

I planned on adding street to my company a few years down the road, I was just going to start with race frames and move into street, then possibly road/mtn in the future.  I dont WANT TO go that route, but that is just how you are destined to go in this type of market.


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#10 2008-09-17 8:30am

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Re: New bike co.

i'd be down to buy one. do you plan on making a cruiser model?

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#11 2008-09-17 8:48am

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Re: New bike co.

Cruiser: Both 24" and 26" +1 big_smile


Wanted- White Industries Freewheel 19T and 20T, and Big Gulp bars- because I think they look goofy enough to cruise with!

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#12 2008-09-17 8:55am

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Re: New bike co.

smitche wrote:

i'd be down to buy one. do you plan on making a cruiser model?

+1 I'm looking to get a new cruiser frame at the end of the season...


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#13 2008-09-17 9:15am

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Cruiser is actually the first one I am making.  All of us (my partners) are cruiser riders, and I had planned on making both a 24/26 model.  Also, I am pretty close with John Kovachi and I am trying to work it out that his wheels/hubs come standard on my bikes (with the option of coming with it atleast)

We actually tossed up the idea of a cruiser pit bike, lol!  Not sure on the demensions yet, but it will prob have 18/20 inch wheels made to "look" like they are 24's when we put them on the smaller pit bike frame.

I can only hope to get a frame or two out in the next year, but I wouldnt hold your breath.  I am still in the company planning stages right now.  I would have just bought Cyclecraft if I knew that I could have!  I used to race in Daytona and see Shag/Shawnda every week, I would have LOVED to purchase it from him and bring CC back with a bang!


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#14 2008-09-17 10:11am

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Re: New bike co.

Keep us posted.


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#15 2008-09-17 10:33am

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I like supporting the little guy!  Let us know!


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#16 2008-09-17 12:10pm

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Please keep us posted! I'm also interested in a 20". Good luck.

Rob


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#17 2008-09-17 2:19pm

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Re: New bike co.

any idea on what pricing would be?

ask nbka-sensei here on the museum... he has his own bike frame company (Saved Bike Company), im not sure how far into it he is, but i know he has race frames out there, and he was sayin somethin about a prototype street/park frame


just ride it

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WHITE pitbull brake
2010 Redline Proline Pro XL
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#18 2008-09-18 3:28pm

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Re: New bike co.

Not sure quite yet, but trying to push around $200-250 on the frame, add another $180-ish for laced up hubs/wheels (Kovachi), and $200 for some carbon forks (but then again thats all your choice)........  Hopefully that, but its just a very questionable decision right now


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#19 2008-09-18 3:36pm

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Re: New bike co.

Gtcompe wrote:

cool,
The name
New Bike CO
or NBC is SWEET!
thats what i could name my company

lol, well actually no, its not going to be called NBC.......

Thought of ATLas bikes, but looked it up and it is one of the biggest bike companies in the world, mainly in Asia, but they dont make BMX....

So I am looking into the copyrite infringement issues for maybe calling it "ATLu.s.", you know, Atlanta, U.S.  But that might still be infringement b/c it sounds the same......

Our 20 inch is "I-20" and the cruiser is "The 2Eighty5", to go with the whole atlas map/interstate thing..............



Thanks for everything you guys are saying, it helps me think of more stuff to add and make choices about......

-Kevin


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#20 2008-09-18 3:41pm

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Re: New bike co.

+1 on Street/park bikes... bigger market!! I'd buy one... smile
Also, your company name should be something universal... not just ATL. The bike names seem cool though.
You're the one with the degree though... so idk.


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#21 2008-09-19 6:35am

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Re: New bike co.

Boydiggs wrote:

Not sure quite yet, but trying to push around $200-250 on the frame, add another $180-ish for laced up hubs/wheels (Kovachi), and $200 for some carbon forks (but then again thats all your choice)........  Hopefully that, but its just a very questionable decision right now

You would hit the nail on the head keeping a lower cost race frame out there. I'd much rather pay $250 on a frame from a small company than $400 for one from a big company.. Good luck.


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#22 2008-09-19 8:26am

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Re: New bike co.

The only issue with selling a high quality frame at a lower cost is that it typically confuses the customer and makes them think that the quality is missing something and its not as good as a "known" brand that sells the worse/same frame for twice as much.

So as much as I would like to have really cheap frames, it makes your company image look bad......


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#23 2012-07-08 4:13am

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Re: New bike co.

great stuff

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#24 2012-07-10 12:45pm

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Re: New bike co.

make a 21''  or 21.25'' tt 20'' frame, I'll buy one for racing

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#25 2012-07-10 12:47pm

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Re: New bike co.

Having been down this road, not with bikes, but similar ventures, youd better be extremely passionate and put in some serious work and not be in it just for the cash. If thats the motivation, you will fail.

Not to sound like a party pisser, but seriously - have some serious passion or hire those that do.

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