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#26 2018-04-13 6:20am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

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Was that frame stripped / raw first.  Or did they remove the anodizing and burnish for $75.   Im not far from you, and this may be a good option for my next build.

The frame was painted when I got it. After I stripped the paint, I had what I assumed was just raw aluminum and that's how I dropped it off at D&N. These threads show pics of the frame before the burnishing.
Painted pics: https://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=730669
Raw pic (yeah, I know it isn't the best): https://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=743648

I don't believe there was any clear coat or anno after I stripped it.


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#27 2018-04-13 6:33am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Just a quick clarification to those who may be interested in this process, this company and the look of the bike.
The media used was not steel ball, but rather porcelain. From what I was told by numerous companies, porcelain was actually a duller finish that steel ball, but not by much. D&N Deburring was the only company I could find locally that had a container that could fit my frame AND not charge me $200 to do it. While researching this process, I learned a lot about the different media used, the size of the tumblers and tubs and what all the deburring and vibratory finishing does. Steve, the owner, even gave me a quick tour of his facility to see exactly where my frame went and the media used. I encourage anyone interested in doing this finish to do your homework or research, but I think you'll be happy with the results. I know I am. If anyone has specific questions about this frame or the process used, I'd be happy to answer them. I think this kind of info should be shared, keeps this bmx community informed.


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#28 2018-04-13 3:26pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

marked turnt ok nice and shiny


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#29 2018-04-13 4:08pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

What catagory is the ball burnisher in the phone book?


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#30 2018-04-13 8:48pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Giginfrogg wrote:

What catagory is the ball burnisher in the phone book?

Look under deburring or metal finishing. Sometimes under vibratory finishing too.


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#31 2019-06-23 10:41am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

PunkRockCop wrote:

Just a quick clarification to those who may be interested in this process, this company and the look of the bike.
The media used was not steel ball, but rather porcelain. From what I was told by numerous companies, porcelain was actually a duller finish that steel ball, but not by much. D&N Deburring was the only company I could find locally that had a container that could fit my frame AND not charge me $200 to do it. While researching this process, I learned a lot about the different media used, the size of the tumblers and tubs and what all the deburring and vibratory finishing does. Steve, the owner, even gave me a quick tour of his facility to see exactly where my frame went and the media used. I encourage anyone interested in doing this finish to do your homework or research, but I think you'll be happy with the results. I know I am. If anyone has specific questions about this frame or the process used, I'd be happy to answer them. I think this kind of info should be shared, keeps this bmx community informed.

Very interested in doing this with my Speed Series. Came out killer, mine is polished right now.


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#32 2019-06-23 10:42am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/254415/abf8431b-149e-4841-bc9d-578b1507e1715d0fba0b0c.jpeg
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/254415/aeb2c9ad-5057-4fc8-afd9-841586523b275d0fba0688.jpeg


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#33 2019-06-23 11:18am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

That turned out awesome. Now I think I’ll go ball burnished on my raw aluminum PK.

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#34 2019-06-23 1:17pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Bluegill wrote:

That turned out awesome. Now I think I’ll go ball burnished on my raw aluminum PK.

I wanna see up close pictures of it. Curious to know if it takes all the scratches out or not.


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#35 2019-06-24 1:31am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/4725/20160729_1229535d108a70e7.jpg
ball burnished is the way to go

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#36 2019-06-24 9:27am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

waza007 wrote:

http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … 8a70e7.jpg
ball burnished is the way to go

Do you do them?


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#37 2019-06-24 10:40am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Just emailed Kelly at Custom Metal Finishing in Gardena, CA.  Hopefully I can send my frame to him soon.

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#38 2019-06-24 1:51pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Bluegill wrote:

Just emailed Kelly at Custom Metal Finishing in Gardena, CA.  Hopefully I can send my frame to him soon.

Will his company just show up on google? I’d like to have mine done.


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#39 2019-06-24 2:12pm

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#40 2019-06-24 7:57pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

rmeneses wrote:

Custom Metal Finishing is very reasonable.

Rode past there today.

Will be taking a frame in soon.

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#41 2019-06-25 11:32am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Bluegill wrote:

http://www.1800deburring.com/Home.html

Damn, why do some many websites not have a secure connection nowadays..... thanks for the website my man, appreciate it very much Sir.

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#42 2019-06-26 2:53pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Spoke to Kelly today, really nice guy. Sending my frame for some magic ball burnishing!

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#43 2019-06-26 9:22pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Bluegill wrote:

Spoke to Kelly today, really nice guy. Sending my frame for some magic ball burnishing!

That’s awesome, I wrote to a few local companies to see what’s ups. Just cause I’m in NH. If you could post close ups before and after, that would be excellent. Can I message you to ask prices? Thanks

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#44 2019-06-26 9:59pm

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Sure, every square inch will be photographed before & after. Going to try to ship out tomorrow or Friday.

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#45 2019-06-27 11:53am

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Bluegill wrote:

Sure, every square inch will be photographed before & after. Going to try to ship out tomorrow or Friday.

Awesome, thank you very much. Take care

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#46 2019-07-26 12:50pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Well, the ball burnishing didn't turn out too well.  I sent my '80 PK Ripper frame to Custom Metal Finishing in Gardena, CA a couple weeks ago and I picked it up yesterday at their shop.  I was in LA on other business and figured I'd pick it up personally and check out their shop. 

Kelly is a really nice guy and he explained to me that the finish on my frame was too rough to properly ball burnish.  The frame must have been sand-blasted by a previous owner prior to powder coating it brown. 

I'll attach photos in this thread of the frame as I received it (with brown powder coat), after I stripped the powder coating, and then after ball burnishing. 

The burnishing brightened the high spots but didn't get into the recesses.  Still has a rough shiny & dull combination finish.  Kelly said that it needs some prep work with a sisel brush (or sisal brush).  He referrred me to a metal polisher about 15 minutes away from Custom Metal Finishing in Hawthorne, CA.  Kelly said that this other guy could sisal brush it and then bring it back to Custom Metal Finishing for another trip in the ball burnisher.

So I paid the other guy a visit yesterday and he had no idea what a sisal brush is.  There was definitely a language barrier (I speak passable Spanish but technical metal working lingo is not in my Spanish repertoire).  His wife or mother tried to translate but it was mainly grunts and pointing at the Ripper frame.  Kind of comical.  This other guy said he could polish it for $275 and he proceeded to polish a section of the down tube.  Looks perfect but then he said he'd polish down the welds flat so it's all smooth.  I couldn't quite communicate to him that this was NOT something I wanted.  So I wasn't entirely comfortable leaving the frame with him and paying him $275 and hoping the frame would make it back to Kelly's shop or back to my home.  I had a flight to catch so I cruised by the hardware store, bought some foam pipe insulation, wrapped the frame tubing, and then had FedEx box it up and ship it to my house.  Arrives tomorrow.

Now I've paid $60 to ship it to Custom Metal Finishing, $92 to box it up and ship it back to me, and I'm pretty much where I started.  I think I'll just polish it myself and maybe take it to a local metal finisher for a final buff & shine.  Will be taking my OG Landing Gear forks in for chroming too.  Kelly didn't charge me for the ball burnishing because it didn't work.  I wish he had told me it needed more prep before I sent it out to him and before he tried the burnishing (I emailed him high-res photos before I sent it to him).  What I really wish it that Kelly's shop could do the sisal brushing or whatever prep was needed.  Would gladly have paid for that service but they don't do it.  If Custom Metal Finishing was local I'd polish it up myself and then have him throw it in the burnish tank.  Don't think I'll spend another $100+ on there & back shipping....my spend on this thing is getting ridiculous at this point.

Of course, I will be back in SoCal in a month for another job.....if only I could carry this on the plane (I can check it like a bag but it will be $30-50 each way).  Maybe I can get it registered as my emotional support Ripper.

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#47 2019-07-26 12:50pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

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#48 2019-07-26 5:38pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Are you happy with the result?

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#49 2019-07-26 6:07pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

Not at all, looks like it was sprayed with silver glitter!  Going to have to polish it.

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#50 2019-07-26 6:08pm

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Re: Ball burnish vs. polishing aluminum frame

All those pics of the frame are a “before” followed by an “after” of the same general frame area.

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