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#26 2018-01-01 1:46pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

Im not up on my cryptic messages ,The first 1 made is original and all others afterwards,  are replicas?

yup all others are copy's  after the fist one. but most here only want real deal old ones. not retro or new school remakes of classic BMX. kind like what would you rather be seen driving say a 1965 ford mustang fast back or a 2017 Mustang fast back?? most would want the 1965.


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#27 2018-01-01 1:56pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

It's the first day of the new year..lol
Nice discussions are an awesome thing smile


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#28 2018-01-01 2:02pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

I did in FACT catch the name ,almost 10 years ago,. that being said,  A NS version of an OS frame is not what I mean, I was pretty clear in my topic... is it that important to have an 84 Hutch TS vs a 17-18 COPY of that exact frame down to the tubing wall thickness?

well that kind stems or steers in the detection of   snutapeal sue they can buy a 2018 custom made 1 off Huffy thunder trail mono shock BMX and it would have better weld,better steal tubing, better shock and better made other parts. but that guy would all ways know it's not  a real. 79 Huffy. there for it has no snutaple / Snob appeal . IE they can't really Brag they Have a 1979 Huffy. all they have is a cheap copy. granted a  high price expensive well made copy / forgery . that would hold up better to riding it. but in there mind still they see a cheap copy. so it  for them just will not do. they have to have the real deal or nothing.


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#29 2018-01-01 2:15pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

I would prefer original in good shape even with some blemishes, over new re-pop.

re-pops are usually close but not exact. 

Re-pops are good if its a wear item... like AME grips or a remake tire or maybe even pedals.

Collectors usually want the original to be really close to NOS but have some signs that it isn't new.

Riders now a days will want a new version of a ride they had that now out performs but doesn't take away from the look.

A perfect survivor 87 Haro Master should pull more than a 2017/87 Haro master repop.  The repop might pull more than a scratched up survivor....but it depends on the buyer.  There again, if they want memories, they buy survivor.  If they want a wall hanger or a perfect specimen they might buy repop since it might be more cost effective.


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#30 2018-01-01 2:22pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

Reading the title of this thread..
If there was only one ever made as in the case of JAY MIRON's HOFFMAN PUNISHER..
Then if you want one, you don't have much of a choice but to buy a custom made/made to order.

ORIGINAL
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/36359/2abb6522-05f5-4fcb-b051-d1944af503fd-133-0000012a0caedaae_zps8815adf858345f3a135a4ab5aa5d.jpg

READY TO ORDER
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/36359/img_443459a0b7f5d55a4ab5d966.jpg
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/36359/limit-fabrications-bmx-mirron-replica-cover-15a4ab6b8e8.jpg

REPLICA/NOT OFFICIAL
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-images/36359/17265680_1236294129818287_7313294814970118144_n5a4ab6f52f.jpg[img]limit-fabrications-bmx-mirron-replica-cover-1.jpg uploading ...[/img]

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Lifes a bitch..PASS ME A BEER.

They're reacting and that's wonderful. It's better than them sitting there doing nothing. I say make them react - do whatever's in your power to move the audience, and if that's where it is, and there where it is with America, sex and violence, then I say project it.
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#31 2018-01-01 2:24pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

To me it depends on what you're doing with it. I have an all original 1986 GT Pro Performer and an all original 1987 GT PFT Team Model. I would ride these just to cruise around and would take to shows to let other people check them out. But I would NOT ride them at a bike/skate park, off big jumps, or to try new tricks on. Because they are original. That being said, for those purposes, I think old school/original is better. Now if I'm going to ride a little harder, try new things....I think a repop is better all day long. So I feel like they both have a purpose and that one's not necessarily "better" than the other, just usable in different ways.


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#32 2018-01-01 2:33pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

I tend to keep all frames/forks as they come as in not refinishing them. May clean them up here and there but the scars, scratches and such are history to them. Sometimes will add new decals if they are totally trashed but nothing further than that.


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#33 2018-01-01 3:10pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

Holy $hit. I think juggarnaut is asteroidbeltwalker! lol

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#34 2018-01-01 3:21pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

I built 2 All school 87 Osborn pros to ride, sold both frames because I grew 6" and gained 80-90 lbs since I was 17. The geometry wasnt comfortable anymore and I had ridden newer bike, with stronger,less flexable frames. I kept all the parts because the only part that was original were the frames. Had a Ketch made to order and bought a Tierra. But if I could swing it, Id have Standard or S&M make me a Modern version of one and wouldnt care that it wasnt and original.. I see ALOT of restickered bikes on here and alot of originals as well as custom made copies that are Far better built than an original, but if all you want is an expensive art piece to gawk at.. to each his own. This thread was not to compare one vs the other, just asked if it was that importan and I Thank all of you for replying. Id like to add, if I spent what some of yall do on bikes of your past, I wouldnt ride some of them either..but I wouldnt spent 5 g's on a bike either. Thanks again.


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#35 2018-01-01 3:34pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

You gained 90 lbs? lol

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#36 2018-01-01 3:51pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

OG


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#37 2018-01-01 3:53pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

saskbmx wrote:

You gained 90 lbs? lol

Over the next 30 years, yeah.. I was skin and bones as a teen, all I did was ride..lol


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#38 2018-01-01 4:25pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

A lot of the great bikes of my time (the 80's) were just frame and fork, so made to order was the choice of the buyer.  That was way better than original, or what the bike shop put together.  There is something to be said about an original stock bike also, as seen in the bike mags and catalogues.  Subjective I guess.


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#39 2018-01-01 4:36pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

I did in FACT catch the name ,almost 10 years ago,. that being said,  A NS version of an OS frame is not what I mean, I was pretty clear in my topic... is it that important to have an 84 Hutch TS vs a 17-18 COPY of that exact frame down to the tubing wall thickness?

well that kind stems or steers in the detection of   snutapeal sue they can buy a 2018 custom made 1 off Huffy thunder trail mono shock BMX and it would have better weld,better steal tubing, better shock and better made other parts. but that guy would all ways know it's not  a real. 79 Huffy. there for it has no snutaple / Snob appeal . IE they can't really Brag they Have a 1979 Huffy. all they have is a cheap copy. granted a  high price expensive well made copy / forgery . that would hold up better to riding it. but in there mind still they see a cheap copy a knock off a want tobe. so it  for them just will not do. they have to have the real deal or nothing.


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bikes were made to be pedalled if we don't ride them they get sad:(!
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#40 2018-01-01 4:37pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

ohiobmx wrote:

A lot of the great bikes of my time (the 80's) were just frame and fork, so made to order was the choice of the buyer.  That was way better than original, or what the bike shop put together.  There is something to be said about an original stock bike also, as seen in the bike mags and catalogues.  Subjective I guess.

Yeah, its definitely subjective.  cool


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#41 2018-01-01 4:45pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

80sbikedude wrote:

I tend to keep all frames/forks as they come as in not refinishing them. May clean them up here and there but the scars, scratches and such are history to them. Sometimes will add new decals if they are totally trashed but nothing further than that.

well that depends. was the bike yours? IE you bought it new in the 80's.  or was it a friends bike? if yes than sure save that history. but if it's not and you did not. sit down and have beers with. the kid now a adult that owned it since new. then no those scratches and paint chips aren't history. well not known history to you. instead it's just wear and tear on  old consumer goods.


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bikes were made to be pedalled if we don't ride them they get sad:(!
YES I RIDE A PINK BIKE!! WANT TO MAKE SOME THING OUT OF IT!

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#42 2018-01-01 4:55pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

If I could go back in time with a pocket full of cash, I would choose made to order.  I would go into Synders Bike Shop and buy a GHP Pro F/F, with a nice set of Star Bars, and build it with all of the goodies.  Redline cranks, Triton pedals, Tuf Neck inverted stem, Araya 7X's with Phil Wood Hubs, Cycle Pro Seat, GT Laid Back, Comp III's, Tuf Neck Seat clamp, Phil Wood Spyder, Tuf Neck 43T Chainring, Shimano MX freewheel, Mushroom grips, Tech III lever with an MX1000 brake, Cali Lite pad set, and some donuts to save my thumbs.


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#43 2018-01-01 6:12pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

I did in FACT catch the name ,almost 10 years ago,. that being said,  A NS version of an OS frame is not what I mean, I was pretty clear in my topic... is it that important to have an 84 Hutch TS vs a 17-18 COPY of that exact frame down to the tubing wall thickness?

well that kind stems or steers in the detection of   snutapeal sue they can buy a 2018 custom made 1 off Huffy thunder trail mono shock BMX and it would have better weld,better steal tubing, better shock and better made other parts. but that guy would all ways know it's not  a real. 79 Huffy. there for it has no snutaple / Snob appeal . IE they can't really Brag they Have a 1979 Huffy. all they have is a cheap copy. granted a  high price expensive well made copy / forgery . that would hold up better to riding it. but in there mind still they see a cheap copy. so it  for them just will not do. they have to have the real deal or nothing.

You seem to be assuming that the person who ordered the "cheap copy" Which was most probably  not cheap, actually cares what other people think about their bike. Or as you say Snob appeal. You also assume they will look at their bike as a cheap copy. Maybe.... if they put Huffy stickers all over it. I would not be happy to put Huffy stickers all over it. I would however be more than happy to put my own name on it and completely rip off the design the copied Huffy sported. I would not however feel I had a cheap frame in any sense. I would have a kick ass bike that was completely like the one I had as a kid and sold and will never have again. This new frame would have something else of my own invested in it. Maybe not my childish blood sweat and tears, but something that no other frame will ever have.


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#44 2018-01-01 6:25pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

ricar wrote:

FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

I did in FACT catch the name ,almost 10 years ago,. that being said,  A NS version of an OS frame is not what I mean, I was pretty clear in my topic... is it that important to have an 84 Hutch TS vs a 17-18 COPY of that exact frame down to the tubing wall thickness?

well that kind stems or steers in the detection of   snutapeal sue they can buy a 2018 custom made 1 off Huffy thunder trail mono shock BMX look a like and it would have better weld,better steal tubing, better shock and better made other parts. but that guy would all ways know it's not  a real. 79 Huffy. there for it has no snutaple / Snob appeal . IE they can't really Brag they Have a 1979 Huffy. all they have is a cheap copy. granted a  high price expensive well made copy / forgery . that would hold up better to riding it. but in there mind still they see a cheap copy. so it  for them just will not do. they have to have the real deal or nothing.

You seem to be assuming that the person who ordered the "cheap copy" Which was most probably  not cheap, actually cares what other people think about their bike. Or as you say Snob appeal. You also assume they will look at their bike as a cheap copy. Maybe.... if they put Huffy stickers all over it. I would not be happy to put Huffy stickers all over it. I would however be more than happy to put my own name on it and completely rip off the design the copied Huffy sported. I would not however feel I had a cheap frame in any sense. I would have a kick ass bike that was completely like the one I had as a kid and sold and will never have again. This new frame would have something else of my own invested in it. Maybe not my childish blood sweat and tears, but something that no other frame will ever have.

some people are like that tho. see they could buy a fiber glass  or alloy re make of a cobra. but for some dumb risen in there head. it will never be as good as a Carroll Shelby cobra  no mater how god it's made. to them it's just some how inferior  but they may buy one. to use till they find a real old Carroll Shelby made cobra . that's what I meant to say. me I would not mind owning either one or both tongue I love and own retros ,remakes and new school as well as OS

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#45 2018-01-01 8:24pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

For sure, there are always the guy that has to have the original. Opinions vary, some people think this and some that. Some people are stuck fast this or die, others are more open to possibilities. I am not a fan of pre 50s cars. I can appreciate a nicely restored '32 and would definitely stop to look  but I would not care to own one.

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#46 2018-01-01 9:02pm

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

STREETBEATBEAST wrote:

Reading the title of this thread..
If there was only one ever made as in the case of JAY MIRON's HOFFMAN PUNISHER..
Then if you want one, you don't have much of a choice but to buy a custom made/made to order.

ORIGINAL
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … b5aa5d.jpg

READY TO ORDER
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … b5d966.jpg
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … b6b8e8.jpg

REPLICA/NOT OFFICIAL
http://uploads.bmxmuseum.com/user-image … b6f52f.jpglimit-fabrications-bmx-mirron-replica-c … oading ...

That is awesome!!!

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#47 2018-01-02 6:01am

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:

ricar wrote:

FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:


well that kind stems or steers in the detection of   snutapeal sue they can buy a 2018 custom made 1 off Huffy thunder trail mono shock BMX look a like and it would have better weld,better steal tubing, better shock and better made other parts. but that guy would all ways know it's not  a real. 79 Huffy. there for it has no snutaple / Snob appeal . IE they can't really Brag they Have a 1979 Huffy. all they have is a cheap copy. granted a  high price expensive well made copy / forgery . that would hold up better to riding it. but in there mind still they see a cheap copy. so it  for them just will not do. they have to have the real deal or nothing.

You seem to be assuming that the person who ordered the "cheap copy" Which was most probably  not cheap, actually cares what other people think about their bike. Or as you say Snob appeal. You also assume they will look at their bike as a cheap copy. Maybe.... if they put Huffy stickers all over it. I would not be happy to put Huffy stickers all over it. I would however be more than happy to put my own name on it and completely rip off the design the copied Huffy sported. I would not however feel I had a cheap frame in any sense. I would have a kick ass bike that was completely like the one I had as a kid and sold and will never have again. This new frame would have something else of my own invested in it. Maybe not my childish blood sweat and tears, but something that no other frame will ever have.

some people are like that tho. see they could buy a fiber glass  or alloy re make of a cobra. but for some dumb risen in there head. it will never be as good as a Carroll Shelby cobra  no mater how god it's made. to them it's just some how inferior  but they may buy one. to use till they find a real old Carroll Shelby made cobra . that's what I meant to say. me I would not mind owning either one or both tongue I love and own retros ,remakes and new school as well as OS

yea but.... some people don't need a real Cobra to be happy.  If it looks the part and is a 10th of the price, it could be viewed better.  If I had the choice I would buy a replica for 20 grand and drive the snot out of it and I could drive it to the grocery store and not worry about dings and shopping carts.

Sometimes price does matter and originality is too overrated


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#48 2018-01-02 6:06am

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

But at the same time, if I could afford a real Cobra, it would stay original and I wouldn't repaint it and it would most likely stay in the garage.  It would be a once a month driver.  I would buy a BMW Z3 to drive as a daily not the Cobra


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#49 2018-01-02 7:17am

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

It really depends on what you value in life.  I value real over fake....
You either wanna look the part, or BE the part, I prefer to BE.

EDIT*
No offense to those who are cool with repop stuff....you have to understand I come from generations of hotrodders and vintage car builders and repop is highly frowned upon so I cant shake that distaste in my mouth for it.

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#50 2018-01-02 8:01am

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Re: Is it that important to have an ORIGINAL vs having one made to order?

JUGGARNAUT wrote:

Threads not over.. lol, maybe you have no answer, but Im sure theres broadminded, deep thinkers on here who have a reply?

oh brother, roll  here we go again...


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