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2015 Haro Freestyler

#1 2015-10-10 7:54am

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2015 Haro Freestyler

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2015 Haro Freestyler

Prototype frame to come out in 2016

This is the "flatland" frame.  From day one, John and I knew we had to do a double top tube frame.  This project started before the DMC Lineage Master and is very different from that frame.  This frame was designed to be a "Freestyler", not a flatland frame.
The thinking behind this frame is it would appeal to the over 35 rider.  Thought about what tricks those guys do, what riding they do and what bike they are currently riding.  It's definitely flatland friendly but it's been tested in skateparks, the streets, vert ramps and box jumps.  It has a good balance and does it all well.  As a current flatland pro said "It feels like a normal bike".  That was the goal.  It's not so specific it can't be used for more than one type of riding. 
The geometry is more mid school as far as angles go.  I know some people will scoff that the head tube isn't 75 but the 74.5 adds stability at speed and gives more wiggle room with flatland for rolling tricks.  The 19.5 top tube is because we aren't as skinny and as fast as we used to be.  The 70 degree seat tube is perfect for decades because let's face it, old guys do decades.  The brake routing is for separate cables so a gyro cable stop doesn't have to be added, disrupting the look of the bike.  The brakes are up top because flat riders run less that 25 tooth sprockets and a lower brake would be hit by the chain.  The original head tube gusset elevates the down tube adding a little extra foot and leg room.  The stays flatten to provide a smooth surface so your foot won't get hooked when standing on the rear pegs.
The key to this frame is the dropouts.  They are big enough to support the peg fully without it hanging off the back or bottom of the dropout.  Also, the axle slot offers different positioning so your chainstay length can be from just over 13" to about 14" to suit your style of riding.  Guys used to older bikes can have the axle set back and it works for skatepark riding.  If you are into new school style moves, you can slam the axle and get a nice quick rear end length.  You can tune it to fit your riding.  Versatility is the key.
People will invariably say that the top tube is to short for ramps and street but I want you to know I've done bar spins with giant knee pads and cranked past clicked turn downs on this frame.  It will be great for mini ramp riding as well.  It's very maneuverable and fun to ride on any terrain.  The tough thing about bringing back a classic design is that people will always complain.  That's why I have people ride it first before I answer any questions.  Everyone is stoked when they hand it back.  That's what really matters, not opinions on a message board. 
If you ride flatland and want a bike that can do it all, this is the one.  It's a Haro Freestyler.


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#2 2015-10-10 9:29am

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Awesome, I'm really looking forward to getting one of these frames next year!  smile

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#3 2015-10-10 10:49am

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dude, I loved when I rode it a few weeks ago. The Low Drags felt perfect on there too!!


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#4 2015-10-10 1:00pm

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#5 2015-10-10 2:10pm

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I dig it and...I want one! If I'm not on the list, add me please! Well done guys!


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#6 2015-10-10 2:26pm

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Been sold on this since the first day i heard about it. Nice write up Brett. cool

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#7 2015-10-10 6:49pm

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I love the use of the word "Freestyler". So much nit picking about length and geometry for each little subset of BMX. Being able to enjoy all of it with one bike is really awesome.


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#8 2015-10-10 7:34pm

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I would ride this. No complaints. For park, flat, everything. 19.5" is a perfect size. Especially as the back end can be run at just over 13". I asked Solid to make me 19.5" custom frames 15 years ago. I've been riding 20" top tubes for about ten years now, as they were easier to find. But a 19.5" X 13.25" would be perfect.
I would be pretty psyched if it was green like an 85.


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#9 2015-10-10 8:04pm

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Wade-I voted against green since it's a frame only. The green looks good with black or chrome parts. Any other colors would look bad. Purple, red, another green. It looks like an 84 and the colors that year were chrome and white. That's my choice. I'm


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#10 2015-10-11 4:23am

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JTinNC wrote:

I love the use of the word "Freestyler". So much nit picking about length and geometry for each little subset of BMX. Being able to enjoy all of it with one bike is really awesome.

Well stated.

As for the finish choices being white or chrome... I could definitely work with that. Chrome would be my preference. tongue

Brett, are you running the Odyssey F25 fork?

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#11 2015-10-11 1:36pm

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Odyssey flatland 16mm but I have an F25 I might try.


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#12 2015-10-11 1:53pm

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Yeah, I'd be curious which one you like better...


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#13 2015-10-11 2:03pm

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Looks awesome, definitely on my buy list for 2016! cool

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#14 2015-10-12 5:18am

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Well, I'm sold.  Awesome write up.

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#15 2015-10-13 4:31pm

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Another vote for chrome please! smile

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#16 2015-10-13 10:57pm

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I would be fine with white or chrome, actually. I had a green 1985 Master and so my lust for such a frame is merely nostalgic.
If I got this and set it up with my lavender coaster brake Tuff Wheels, either white or chrome would look pretty sharp. The bike I rode in my recent video is an all-chrome Kink, so chrome would work. Still, my initial lust for lavender Tuffs was sparked by the famous 1985 ad with Mike Buff and Ceppie Maes on a white CW with those wheels, so white could be pretty dialed, too.
So, still, no complaints.


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#17 2015-10-16 12:39pm

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Ah ha! No coaster brake bracket! How's that for nit-picking? tongue
Maybe they can be shipped with an extra hinged seat clamp!


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#18 2015-10-18 4:48am

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No bracket because you can't run a big sprocket on the frame.  If you want your bike to have a 28/16 gearing then you are out of luck.


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#19 2015-10-18 5:09am

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#20 2015-10-18 2:52pm

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Well, that makes sense.
My coaster brake setup is 33/12. I have one of Bob Morales' 12 coaster sprockets that he handed me in 1996 welded to the driver.
I wouldn't imagine that a coaster brake is a factor in modern bike design, so of course you get a pass. I would ride this frame as my main bike with a cassette hub, or as a flat bike with a 33t sprocket, a a few spindle spacers, and a way-out of line chain alignment.
Or I could just get a proper freecoaster, I suppose.


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#21 2015-10-18 2:56pm

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I see that I can't edit my posts - so here are the corrections:
I have one of Bob Morales' 12 tooth chromoly Kore coaster sprockets that he handed me in 1996 welded to the driver.


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#22 2015-10-22 11:30am

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wadeaminute wrote:

I see that I can't edit my posts - so here are the corrections:
I have one of Bob Morales' 12 tooth chromoly Kore coaster sprockets that he handed me in 1996 welded to the driver.

Good luck.  They usually crack because of the heating during welding.  33/12 feels like a 44/16 so you might want to go 28 or 30 tooth up front.


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#23 2015-10-22 1:50pm

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pwh4130 wrote:

wadeaminute wrote:

I see that I can't edit my posts - so here are the corrections:
I have one of Bob Morales' 12 tooth chromoly Kore coaster sprockets that he handed me in 1996 welded to the driver.

Good luck.  They usually crack because of the heating during welding.  33/12 feels like a 44/16 so you might want to go 28 or 30 tooth up front.

Thanks for the advice.
I've used these sprockets many times since 1996. Welded, too. And I actually used to run 34/12 on my custom Basic Sluggo (it had v-brakes AND a coaster brake mount) back in 1997. I prefer a hearty gearing as I ride the coaster on ramps more than on flatland. I want it to feel like 25/9 or 44/16, so I'm golden.
Back in 1990, I rode 39/16. But I was more of a flatlander then.
Thinking back, I am pretty sure that the day Morales gave Steve Roy, Dan Rigby and I handfuls of Kore sprockets was the same day Woody Itson introduced me to Brian Scura (who I ended up working for at SST). I've both run out of Kore sprockets and SST Oryg cables this past summer.


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#24 2015-10-22 2:07pm

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#25 2015-10-25 8:59am

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would you say this is more of an overall / all around bike than the dmc master complete?  or would you say that that would be up to the individual rider?

also - are those prototype kneesavers in the pic?

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