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#1 2014-07-10 5:54am

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the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

this is the true story of the fabled prototype love handles seen in white in hoffman ads back in 1995 and also mat rode them for a bit.  been hearing a lot about these bars on the forum lately and ive put this off for a while (idk why) so i figured i would provide the story on them.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P8049820.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/b95r1hm_zpsd45af5ba.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC13509.jpg

ok first off. they were prototypes,never sold to the public. the last of their kind too. the only set like that, that were actually welded up.
the design and welding of them were the brainchild of Shane Kinsley. he welded and designed product for HB from summer of 94 through spring of 95.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/shanek_zps44187a4a.jpg

this is the story that Shane told me a few years back. i left out a few small things out, out of Shanes wishes.

"Those white Love Handles with the 2 set screws on each side were actually a cream color. The center section was made from scrap Big Daddy fork legs (as were all the initial pairs). The grip sections were chopped Big Daddy seat posts with chrome stickers covering the saw cuts. I wanted visual contrast for the advertisement. This set currently resides in my basement and are sand-blasted now. This was the last pair I made and the only pair aligned with a fixture. The "Chocolate Bars" actually came first. I made a few of 7/8" welded-grip versions. I rode the first pair for a while then gave them to Psycho (Davin Halford). They were the tallest of the original sets. I think he rode them at the Chicago BS finals in '94. Taj wanted a reduced-size pair. I made him some lower/narrower ones, but they had WAAAY to much upward bend. (These original sets were made by eyeball / no fixtures) Taj tried them but was underwhelmed with the geometry… my bad. This pair ended up with Chris Hald (who happens to have the only other Grunt frame I built). This goof in execution led to the development of the “Low Drag” bars. A flatland version was requested by Mat Gipson. He got a set with the grips straight across with no upward bend or back sweep. I had been riding another pair for around 6 months. This pair ended up with Seth Holton / Kyle Clancy. (I actually met these guys on the way home from the airport after leaving HB, no joke. They were riding on a main road in March. Not often seen up here in VT.) There might have been another pair or two, but no details come to mind. That’s most of the objective stuff."

here is how the one from the ads sit today. (the original grip tubes are in them instead of the chrome ones that mat bent)
yes the bar exist and are still alive and in Shanes possesion.... and no, dont even ask...they are NOT for sale!
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/1962037_733756526669348_133513688_o_zpse68f817e.jpg

and for purposes for this thread, here is a pic of mat gibsons "flatland" version back in 1995
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10758.jpg

obviously the "flatland" versions would show up in late 97 for the 98 model year as the "chocolate bars." pretty much identical beyond the 1 inch grip tube.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/chocobars.jpg

and of coarse we all know about the 1st gen "love handles" that came out in late summer of 95. basically the evolution of the prototypes and the first production versions sold to the public of this family of bars.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/hb95balh.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/1779329_10152000520245994_161113716_n_zps7888b97b.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/adamdawson/95loves.jpg

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#2 2014-07-10 6:20am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

cool


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#3 2014-07-10 6:51am

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Very cool... Josh


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#4 2014-07-10 7:02am

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cool


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#5 2014-07-10 7:16am

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Very cool

Thanks for posting!


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#6 2014-07-10 7:29am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

Thanks for the info Adam, I'm going to mirror this to my site as well so if it gets deleted like your other massive Hoffman post in the reference section (**sigh**)...it will still be out there.

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#7 2014-07-10 7:33am

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Incredible . That puts one debate to rest. That those double bolt proto bars were not production bars are rare a s--t! Officially we can say gen 1 love handles are indeed the ones in the ad. I just spoke with Adam about decal on that gen 1 love handle . Great post Adam , this is stuff I love. Great picture as well with hoffman leather jacket . Here is a set of gen 1 love handles I just scored . A resto is in order but a great hard to find bar no less:http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p646/shiznitme/1E4F3C35-C3B9-4D22-9BC9-8BE6BC1CB0F6_zpsyysdk2pj.jpghttp://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p646/shiznitme/B8580FF7-63FC-4B01-8F55-229A023B25ED_zpslfny15b4.jpghttp://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p646/shiznitme/E89A5E08-F6F1-44F0-95D1-541912E56FE3_zpst2dhb1mq.jpghttp://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p646/shiznitme/CF0D40FF-34F7-48B5-8072-8F8CC382C305_zps40kgdxhc.jpg

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#8 2014-07-10 7:33am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

adamdawson wrote:

yes the bar exist and are still alive and in Shanes possesion.... and no, dont even ask...they are NOT for sale!

Not that I would want them, but if someone offered the right kind of money, I believe just about anything is for sale. cool


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#9 2014-07-10 8:17am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

So can we now come to a consensus about generations of Love Handles....

Are we going to call the prototypes gen 1, or are we going to call the first production models gen 1's?

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#10 2014-07-10 8:46am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

hoffmanfan wrote:

So can we now come to a consensus about generations of Love Handles....

Are we going to call the prototypes gen 1, or are we going to call the first production models gen 1's?

The prototypes are gen 1, imho.  If we were talking about a prototype that didn't vary much from the retail models, that'd be a different story.  As it is, because the design changed so much over the lifespan, I think it makes sense to keep track of ALL of the changes by denoting each one--including the prototypes (gen 1).


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#11 2014-07-10 9:01am

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Thanks for sharing all the real cool info and pics...cool it's cool threads like this that get people pumped up about hardcore Mid-flat...as long as some people don't muddy it up!roll.........and Mile cool rare shit as always....you are a mid-school madman!!!lol


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#12 2014-07-10 9:16am

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yeah, those bars are sick Miles!!! I'll gladly take them off of your hands... smile


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#13 2014-07-10 9:21am

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Prototypes are not gen 1 . IMO they never produced enough to be gen 1 not labelled with company decals either. I just think these are nothing like love handles more like evolution of chocolate but I'm sure the debate will rage on. I'm not designating these gen 1s because these never hit open market. Lets say Hoffman had laying around the very first big daddy frame ever made in lets just say for fun 1991. He puts article out and some pics hit Internet. In turn two others turn up . In total he lets say made 4. These never had paint or decals or even finalized details like dropout shape , cable lug location etc etc. there is no way these would be called gen 1. That would make SE big daddys gen 2 , thats ridiculous. Gen 1 is very first production model parts labeled by the company in their colours and decals as first production released parts to open market. Those two bolt bars are nothing of the sort. If anything once evolution of love handle was done , it helped pave way for chocolate bars.

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#14 2014-07-10 9:22am

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Thanks Polt!

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#15 2014-07-10 10:33am

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Thanks for putting together this write up Adam, it made for some nice reading during lunch.

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#16 2014-07-10 6:42pm

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

Here's another set for ref. sold these a bit ago.

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab115/59impala/100_1811.jpg


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#17 2014-07-11 6:06am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

yeah by the time the prototype one that showed up in the ads, it was already on its 5th configuration so cant really say its the first gen, especially since they were never sold or offered to the public, because well.... they were all prototypes/experimental r+d stuff.

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#18 2014-07-11 6:45am

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There it is! I agree totally with you Adam those bars can't be classed as gen ... anything because it was work in progress . Finished bars look pretty with chrome or paint have company decal. In those cases they can be classed as gens.

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#19 2014-07-11 7:24am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

Cool story, great to hear about the early days of HB and the DIY spirit that brought some of these things to life.  Cool to think about how a lot of this stuff was made just feet away from the Ninja Ramp.  It was an amazing time to be a hardcore bike rider. 

I never had one of the early pairs of Love Handles, the only early set (I think they had the adjustable grip tubes) that made its way to Athens belonged to John "Peaches" Davis around 1995.  I don't know what gen they were, but they were low and super narrow. Years later I ran a pair of the 7/8 tapered pairs from '97 - I think they were made overseas.  They super stiff, they always hurt my wrists and eventually I went with the Low Drags 2s instead.  I ended up giving the bars to Brett Downs when I moved away from Philadelphia.     

Anyway, thanks for the story.  I'd love to hear more stories like this if you have them.

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#20 2014-07-11 3:50pm

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

A friend of mine had some Hoffman 1" bars on his bike, and I didn't care much for them. I couldn't get used to the feel of the bigger grip area.

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#21 2014-07-12 7:25am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

blammo585 wrote:

A friend of mine had some Hoffman 1" bars on his bike, and I didn't care much for them. I couldn't get used to the feel of the bigger grip area.

That's why I only wanted 6th gen or prior.  You can always toss Rogues on it, if you really wanna feel "bigger grip".  Heck, you can tape the bars and throw MX grips on it if you really want to.


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#22 2014-07-16 6:25am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

Great thread guys, my favourite bars of all time

Does anyone have a spare decal for the love handles or know anybody who rerooduces?

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#23 2014-07-16 7:55am

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

i bought mine off ebay.  i don't see any listed there now, so who knows?  my scooter is rocking it OEM style now though...albeit in winter-camo.  cool lol


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#24 2015-09-08 7:43pm

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

Great info, thank you!
Now, I have a question, the Chocolate bars came out in late 97 for the 98 models.....what brake levers did they use at the time? Diatech Tech99 or Odyssey Modulevers?
Thank you

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#25 2015-09-08 10:12pm

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Re: the story of the prototype hoffman love handles...

MX-97s I believe other option was dia-tech 99. Most Taiwan love handles and chocolate bars had options to buy with levers ( spring action MX-97s it sucked because to remove them the grips had to come off).

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