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#1 2013-10-10 9:03am

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Bmx history timelines

I'm just getting back into bmx bikes after 25yrs and there is now 3 classes - old school, mid school and new school.  What are the cut off years of each class and what is interchangeable between the classes?

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#2 2013-10-10 9:10am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

70's: Vintage
80's: Old School
90's: Mid School
00's: New School

Everything is interchangeable.


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#3 2013-10-10 9:15am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

big_smile there's alot of different thoughts on that. Me personally I say every 10/15 yrs starting w/1975 but that's me.


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#4 2013-10-10 9:32am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Leatherman wrote:

70's: Vintage
80's: Old School
90's: Mid School
00's: New School

Everything is interchangeable.

I think 70's and early 80's are old school

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#5 2013-10-10 9:56am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

85-86 or earlier...=vintage


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#6 2013-10-10 2:02pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

When did the threadless headset and small BB come into play?

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#7 2013-10-10 2:33pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

75-88/89: Old school, usually. Identifiable by predominantly smaller tubing, and other characteristics.
90-02/03: Mid school, usually. Wilder designs, with usually larger tubes. Some are threadless.
04-present: New school. Switch to smaller sprocket/driver, mid/euro BB, threadless, 3 pc cranks.
I use these guidelines for freestyle bikes, I'm not really knowledgeable on racers.

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#8 2013-10-10 2:38pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

teamhazard wrote:

75-88/89: Old school, usually. Identifiable by predominantly smaller tubing, and other characteristics.
90-02/03: Mid school, usually. Wilder designs, with usually larger tubes. Some are threadless.
04-present: New school. Switch to smaller sprocket/driver, mid/euro BB, threadless, 3 pc cranks.
I use these guidelines for freestyle bikes, I'm not really knowledgeable on racers.

I like this^^

Although the mid school starting point could be around 93-94.

Until something is formally adopted everything is debatable...just like value wink

I'm lobbying for a future-school category to start sometime soon too...

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#9 2013-10-10 3:14pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Leatherman wrote:

70's: Vintage
80's: Old School
90's: Mid School
00's: New School

Everything is interchangeable.

I like this kurt  smile
this is right to me.

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#10 2013-10-10 3:22pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Kurt_Rad wrote:

teamhazard wrote:

75-88/89: Old school, usually. Identifiable by predominantly smaller tubing, and other characteristics.
90-02/03: Mid school, usually. Wilder designs, with usually larger tubes. Some are threadless.
04-present: New school. Switch to smaller sprocket/driver, mid/euro BB, threadless, 3 pc cranks.
I use these guidelines for freestyle bikes, I'm not really knowledgeable on racers.

I like this^^

Although the mid school starting point could be around 93-94.

Until something is formally adopted everything is debatable...just like value wink

I'm lobbying for a future-school category to start sometime soon too...

Future School? Like College? big_smile

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#11 2013-10-10 3:29pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

lollol ..... future school


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#12 2013-10-10 3:40pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Shmiv wrote:

When did the threadless headset and small BB come into play?

1 1/8" Threadless was 1996-ish.

Small bb's (euro, spanish, mid) were around 2002 I think.  Euro was first, if I remember right.  Then it got dropped in favor of spanish and mid, because street/park riders tend to bash their frame on things and that will mess up the euro bb threading.  Some bmx racers continued to use Euro bb's because there are higher quality euro bb's available from the mountain and road scenes.

I think FLY BIKES may have come out with the Spanish bb before other companies did "mid."  "Mid" was an easier sell, because you just use your regular american bb bearings without the cups.

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#13 2013-10-10 5:32pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Sounds like you are using the GT platform change to mark the change from old to mid school.

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#14 2013-10-10 5:33pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

I'm talkin freestyle series bikes

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#15 2013-10-11 6:57am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

The timeline could be debated forever. I have a 2003 Haro, and I was told it is not new school hmm When I think of new school, I think of micro gearing (25/9), integrated headsets, slammed pivotal seats, integrated seatpost  clamps, tiny dropouts, etc. Mid was tank bikes, bash guards, mid gearing (33/13), 4 piece bars, large clunky dropouts, thread less (non integrated) 1 1/8" headsets, big padded seats. Old school was 1" threaded headsets, 44/16 gearing, quill stems, tall 7/8" seatposts, railed plastic seats, gussets, etc.
     The years aren't important to me, rather than the style and components.


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#16 2013-10-11 8:34am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

changachump wrote:

The timeline could be debated forever. I have a 2003 Haro, and I was told it is not new school hmm When I think of new school, I think of micro gearing (25/9), integrated headsets, slammed pivotal seats, integrated seatpost  clamps, tiny dropouts, etc. Mid was tank bikes, bash guards, mid gearing (33/13), 4 piece bars, large clunky dropouts, thread less (non integrated) 1 1/8" headsets, big padded seats. Old school was 1" threaded headsets, 44/16 gearing, quill stems, tall 7/8" seatposts, railed plastic seats, gussets, etc.
     The years aren't important to me, rather than the style and components.

^^^  this is how I think of it too.  ^^^


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#17 2013-10-11 8:44am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Shmiv wrote:

When did the threadless headset and small BB come into play?

Regardless of what you might have heard, threadless was introduced by Cooks Bros around 1981, Euro bottom brackets on pro sized frames by RRS in 1980, and V-Brake studs (canti back then) in 1980 by RRS.


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#18 2013-10-11 8:46am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

I should also say right here that Euro bottom brackets are an inferior standard from early (like 1900) cottered-crank road bikes, and are being gradually replaced in the MTB industry by BB30 and PF30, which are the "new school" version of the big bottom bracket.


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#19 2013-10-11 9:04am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

changachump wrote:

The timeline could be debated forever. I have a 2003 Haro, and I was told it is not new school hmm When I think of new school, I think of micro gearing (25/9), integrated headsets, slammed pivotal seats, integrated seatpost  clamps, tiny dropouts, etc. Mid was tank bikes, bash guards, mid gearing (33/13), 4 piece bars, large clunky dropouts, thread less (non integrated) 1 1/8" headsets, big padded seats. Old school was 1" threaded headsets, 44/16 gearing, quill stems, tall 7/8" seatposts, railed plastic seats, gussets, etc.
     The years aren't important to me, rather than the style and components.

I was told new school started in 2006 with integrated headsets, which makes sense! I have '04 KHE's still using ball bearings, but my '06 KHE RIP has the integrated!

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#20 2013-10-11 11:09am

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Re: Bmx history timelines

What bb are similar to the older mountain bikes and road bikes?  These new bikes look like they have the same setup as my 2000 giant mountain bike.  In the end the new stuff would be better.  No more tipped washers that last one tighten and strip off.

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#21 2013-10-11 1:40pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Some things that could arguably separate new school from mid school:

1) No brake mounts or removeable brake mounts
2) Integrated headset
3) Slim dropouts combined with hub guards (during the mid school years, dropouts tended to be really big and thick and acted as their own hubguard).
4) Female axle bolts
5) Shorter back ends on park/street bikes.  (Like 14.25" was a normal short chainstay length for mid-school bikes, but now, you'll see a lot of frames with 12.75 to 13.75" as the norm, and 14.25 is considered long-ish.).
6) Taller & wider handlebars.  (Mid-school was characterized by people cutting down bars narrower, and then smaller/narrower bars being made. Was good for barspins, bad for back pain).
7) Pivotal seatposts and ultra-short seatposts
8) Pegs with no knurling or grooves/lines. 
9) Folding tires
10) Half link chains
11) No more 48 hole option rims and hubs
12) Plastic pedals make a comeback
13) Titatnium crank spindles
14) 24" cruiser frames with higher bottom brackets
15) 22" wheels !!

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#22 2013-10-11 1:59pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

i consider 88 to be the year from old to mid. 87 old/88 mid

88 gt pft

88 s+m mad dog

those are the 2 that come to mind. last of the old, first of the mid

and also when the sport started its decline, bashguard bikes, start of rider owned companies etc

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#23 2013-10-11 2:16pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

1900 to 1985 = old school

1986+ = new school

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#24 2013-10-11 2:19pm

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#25 2013-10-11 5:42pm

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Re: Bmx history timelines

Shmiv wrote:

I'm talkin freestyle series bikes

Oh, in that case: 1984 to 1987 is Vintage.

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