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#1 2011-04-19 9:52am

skirkpat
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Standard questions

Was looking at the Standards and thought I would ask a few questions...Anyone know how long the TT is on the Lengthy and Shorty's, I am wanting to build one but don't really know anything about them. I assume they came out 1n 94 and ran until about 2000 from the Bikes section...does the serial #'s give exact dates, are the early ones 1" Headtubes?? I know my way around S&M's but just never had one of these??? I think that may change pretty soon big_smile

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#2 2011-04-19 10:23am

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Re: Standard questions

I recently picked up both of these. I believe my shorty is a jan of 96 model. (per another shorty owner)  I havent checked the serial on my lengthy yet. I think they changed the headube to 1 1/8 in 97. I could be wrong though.
My 96 shorty with 1" headtube.
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt47/mitterhead/e06f3efe.jpg
My unknown year Lengthy (95 or 96)
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt47/mitterhead/206ddfc1.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt47/mitterhead/46ce2103.jpg

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#3 2011-04-19 10:26am

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Re: Standard questions

Ill try and get some measurements for you when I get home from work tonight. Maybe someone else will chime in.

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#4 2011-04-19 10:35am

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Re: Standard questions

letter is the month, number is year and production of shell. Pretty much every standard ive seen has the number on the bottom of the bb shell. Shortys and Lengthys seem to be a harder find than say a 250, 125 or sta. I know they had 1" head tubes 94 and 95, if you get one of those consider yourself very lucky. Im not sure if they were messing around with 1" threadless set ups in between 1" threaded and 1-1/8th threadless. But its possible, there were companys like dk and such making 1" threadless stems. hope that helps a little. Any crazy questions just call jess at standard, she knows a lot.


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#5 2011-04-19 10:37am

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Re: Standard questions

From the little I know - they came in various headtube lengths dependant if they were a custom build or stock (unsure of stock lengths - will have to measure one of mine).

1 1/8" came out in 1994 for Standard and I think the first Shortys/ Lengthys were '93 as the first batch were refused ('92). The serials are on the bottom bracket, and start with the year - ie 94***, 95*** etc.

Although someone else will know more than me (and if I'm wrong) - either way you can't go far wrong with a Standard smile

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#6 2011-04-19 10:39am

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Re: Standard questions

96 was their first year for 1 1/8th.  standard didnt mess around with 1 inch clamp on stuff, they just straight switched from 1 inch threaded to 1 1/8th.

i think the shortys were 18 1/2 tt and the lenghtys were 19 1/2 tt

the early standards didnt have ht gussets. they came out in 95

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#7 2011-04-19 10:42am

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Re: Standard questions

adamdawson wrote:

96 was their first year for 1 1/8th.  standard didnt mess around with 1 inch clamp on stuff, they just straight switched from 1 inch threaded to 1 1/8th.

i think the shortys were 18 1/2 tt and the lenghtys were 19 1/2 tt

the early standards didnt have ht gussets. they came out in 95

I've got a 1 1/8th STA from '95 - see the Standard thread - and the frames were def still available in 1" and 1 1/8" for a while after '94....... smile

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#8 2011-04-19 10:46am

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Re: Standard questions

The very first standard was the bicycle moto cross, it came out in 94. That was what started it all, no 92 or 93.  In the serial # there is a letter way off to the left, that signifies the month.


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#9 2011-04-19 10:47am

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Re: Standard questions

Have a look here:

1994 1 1/8th forks etc:

http://www.23mag.com/com/standard/standard.htm

Gives frame dimensions as well smile

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#10 2011-04-19 10:48am

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Re: Standard questions

JC82 wrote:

The very first standard was the bicycle moto cross, it came out in 94. That was what started it all, no 92 or 93.  In the serial # there is a letter way off to the left, that signifies the month.

Check the link above - 92 - 93 smile

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#11 2011-04-19 10:50am

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Re: Standard questions

Mustangs and SBCs are like Peanut Butter n Jelly cool


"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity."

- Albert Einstein

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#12 2011-04-19 10:52am

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Re: Standard questions

Cruiserific wrote:

Mustangs and SBCs are like Peanut Butter n Jelly cool

lol

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#13 2011-04-19 10:52am

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Re: Standard questions

Dannywhac wrote:

JC82 wrote:

The very first standard was the bicycle moto cross, it came out in 94. That was what started it all, no 92 or 93.  In the serial # there is a letter way off to the left, that signifies the month.

Check the link above - 92 - 93 smile

Well I was half right, the bicycle moto cross didnt come out untill 94 lol


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#14 2011-04-19 10:54am

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Re: Standard questions

i have a 98 21" Trail Boss in Chrome frame, A 21.5" Canti- Brake bridge MX frame, a late 90s Chrome 24" Motocross, and a TRLS250 beater, and a slew of stems and forks and a couple bars.  and Im on my 4th FoxBody hahaha  its a 90 LX cool


"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity."

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#15 2011-04-19 10:57am

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Re: Standard questions

Cruiserific wrote:

Mustangs and SBCs are like Peanut Butter n Jelly cool

I forkin' love peanut butter and jelly, although we call jelly jam over here wink

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#16 2011-04-19 10:59am

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Re: Standard questions

23 mag is notorious for having their info a bit off.

standards first bikes were the shorty/lengthy that were built in 92 by gardner.  standard refuse almost all of them (they kept a few, like the ones they gave to their team riders like chad d, he rode one in 93. one of the only ones to get a s.i. stamp on the frame) and sold the rest in 93 and thats how basic bikes first got started.

94 standard got waterford to make the frames to their spec.  shortys/lengthys/bicycle moto/sta.  all one inch stuff.

in 96 ads in props had standard commercials claiming they were the first to do 1 1/8th in 96

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#17 2011-04-19 11:00am

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Re: Standard questions

What about peanut butter and fluff?


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#18 2011-04-19 11:01am

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Re: Standard questions

Dannywhac wrote:

Cruiserific wrote:

Mustangs and SBCs are like Peanut Butter n Jelly cool

I forkin' love peanut butter and jelly, although we call jelly jam over here wink

over here, jam usually has seeds where jelly is smooth. I think.


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#19 2011-04-19 11:04am

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Re: Standard questions

jelly jam ... jelly .. Its All Goooood  haha. I am about to Put that Cruiser frame together.  still collecting the parts .. but Im almost done. I dont really tend to build correct era stuff. but I believe it to be quality none the less..cool I like the wave of older Standards hitting the museum in project form though. that makes me Smile haha:D.  there are a lot of great links and stuff on here. that timeline link was cool stuff.

here are my filthy beaters... Im such an A-hole.. i dont clean anything lolhttp://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/Cruiserific1/bmxstuff081.jpg


"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity."

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#20 2011-04-19 11:04am

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Re: Standard questions

here is some fun stuff


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#21 2011-04-19 11:04am

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Re: Standard questions

adamdawson wrote:

23 mag is notorious for having their info a bit off.

standards first bikes were the shorty/lengthy that were built in 92 by gardner.  standard refuse almost all of them (they kept a few, like the ones they gave to their team riders like chad d, he rode one in 93. one of the only ones to get a s.i. stamp on the frame) and sold the rest in 93 and thats how basic bikes first got started.

94 standard got waterford to make the frames to their spec.  shortys/lengthys/bicycle moto/sta.  all one inch stuff.

in 96 ads in props had standard commercials claiming they were the first to do 1 1/8th in 96

Good info. My lengthy has the waterford decal on it. big_smile

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#22 2011-04-19 11:05am

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Re: Standard questions

I grew up in Lynn Ma.   where the fluff factory was.  Fluff was just as consistent in my house as BMX bikes were growing up  cool  yyeaa.. Fluff s Ggggreat huh?  Damn .. peanut butter, jelly , fluff, mustangs and standards.. im in heaven lol


"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity."

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#23 2011-04-19 11:07am

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Re: Standard questions

Thanks guys, appreciate the insight...


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#24 2011-04-19 11:09am

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Re: Standard questions

The one that I am looking at appears to be a shorty...He keeps saying it is a "Standard" made by Standard...LOL, oh and it is aluminum... lol , the scary part is he owned a bike shop until 2003. hmm lol


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#25 2011-04-19 11:09am

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Re: Standard questions

muphasta wrote:

Dannywhac wrote:

Cruiserific wrote:

Mustangs and SBCs are like Peanut Butter n Jelly cool

I forkin' love peanut butter and jelly, although we call jelly jam over here wink

over here, jam usually has seeds where jelly is smooth. I think.

Ahhhhh - so what do you guys call what we call jelly? That wobbly stuff you get at kids partys? Is that Jello? smile

adamdawson wrote:

23 mag is notorious for having their info a bit off.

standards first bikes were the shorty/lengthy that were built in 92 by gardner.  standard refuse almost all of them (they kept a few, like the ones they gave to their team riders like chad d, he rode one in 93. one of the only ones to get a s.i. stamp on the frame) and sold the rest in 93 and thats how basic bikes first got started.

94 standard got waterford to make the frames to their spec.  shortys/lengthys/bicycle moto/sta.  all one inch stuff.

in 96 ads in props had standard commercials claiming they were the first to do 1 1/8th in 96

They might be the first - me '95 1 1/8th STA beats '96 - also have a butchers here:

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=75132.0

Maybe Rick would pipe in to confirm smile

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