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Survivor Step by Step

#1 2011-01-14 5:34pm

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Survivor Step by Step

Finally got a chance to start cleaning up my 1976/1977 Mongoose "Survivor" today.

I figured I might as well document the process as I go along, step by step...

The Full Bike

Frozen in time since 1978 and stored indoors (thankfully) for 33 years... Here is how she was found.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00086-1-1.jpg

The Process

Time to take this completely apart and document everything.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00149.jpg

Certain tools are invaluable when getting these super old bikes apart. As we all know, sometimes these old parts don't like being dissasembled.  :curses:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00146-1.jpg

The early Redline stem and V-Bars are in really nice shape and will only need minor cleaning/polishing.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00159.jpg

The frame is a little grunged out, especially around the bottom bracket shell.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00168.jpg

Not anymore!!!  smile

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00176.jpg

Dropouts are in good shape but need cleaning.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00179.jpg

Ta-Dah! smile

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00181.jpg

So far, so good. The original nickel still rocks!  :rockout:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00192.jpg


A "Squonk" is like a Mongoose only much harder to find...

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#2 2011-01-14 5:43pm

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Re: Survivor Step by Step

Amazing job , can't wait to see it back together shining like a diamond . cool


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#3 2011-01-14 6:12pm

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Re: Survivor Step by Step

Are you telling me I had the tool for removing chainrings all these years ive been using a pipe wrench! It looks like its cleaning up nicely:cool:


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#4 2011-01-15 11:36am

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Re: Survivor Step by Step

I was able to get at the bike again this morning... Now "Day 2" on this. Things are moving right along.  smile

Seat post and Sprocket needed to be cleaned up. Same process as the frame with Mothers, cloths etc.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00357-1.jpg

Bam!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00360-2.jpg

V-Bars get the same deal!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00355-1.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00378-2.jpg

The forks were next...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00152-1.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00364-1.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00371-1.jpg

Bing!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00373.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00385-1.jpg

This decal on the top tube of the fork was saved too. Some instructions from Linn Kastan I guess!
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00386-1.jpg

Getting tough with Tuffs...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00348.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00349-1.jpg

Amazingly, these tires and tubes were absolutely fine! I just cleaned the tires and filled the tubes with air. They're holding just fine!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00346-1.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00354-1.jpg

Anyhow, it's getting there...

Time to start gathering the finished parts and getting them back together into one zone.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00388-1.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00382-1.jpg


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#5 2011-01-15 12:19pm

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Pete, this is going to be amazing!  Nice work so far.  I really need to get one of those sprocket nut removers too.  I've been using my vice all this time.  Subscribed and can't wait to see the reveal!

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#6 2011-01-17 3:38pm

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Well, that's it. I finished it all up this morning. I have precious little time to work on the bikes these days, but I was able to slam this whole thing basically part-time through the weekend and a little more today. The whole process went very quickly. I guess one of the things about Survivors is they take much less time to work on. No waiting for parts etc. Dissasemble, clean, polish, reassemble. Done.

Anyhow, I hope some people enjoyed this thread. With all the intense talk about Survivors going on, I thought it would be cool to document this whole exercise rather than just discussing it.

Final Steps...

The chain was a bit nasty, but not really too bad. In the spirit of the "Survivor" mode, I thought it would be worth saving another 33 year old part.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00423.jpg

Cleaned and re-greased.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00472.jpg

Cranks and BB assembly.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00425-2.jpg

Shwing!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00435.jpg

Pedals, seat clamp and headset assembly...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00416.jpg

Done!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00429.jpg

The seat was the only item that was totally trashed and beyond my skills and time for possible repair... Maybe some other time. I'll save it regardless.

This blue NOS Mesinger was the perfect replacement and it came from one of the baddest cats I know, RVW. Ron, you are the best! Thank you again my brother, you rock!  :rockout:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00080.jpg

Last thing was the grips. Basically I hate them. Nonetheless, I cleaned them up and they went back into action.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00090-1.jpg

More kitchen remedies... Boiling and scrubbing, rinse and repeat...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00324-1.jpg

Done. Still disgusting to me, but saved.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00326-1.jpg

Finally, everything was back into one place and ready to be reassembled.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00475.jpg

Here it is:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00490.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00487.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC01381.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC00530.jpg

Bottom line for me... I know I have every single piece of this bike cleaned and saved (even though I replaced the seat, I could still save and use the original one as I mentioned). All in all, the mission was complete.Or was it?

Truth be told, I wasn't "feeling" this bike once it was done. I like it, but all I did was preserve it exactly as it once was in another person's childhood. This bike was modified by it's original owner, so it was all about preserving his bike. Even if it was all factory original, it would still have been just a preservation of the past, nothing more.

I love the whole idea of preserving the past, don't get me wrong, but presonally I want a little more from my bikes. I want more than just the exercise of pure preservation. I like to ride all my bikes without too much worry if they get a little trashed. Most importantly, I want them to be mine. "Mine" as in, something at least slightly original. I understand this is different for everyone, but to me, originality is EVERYTHING. Even if it's a minor detail, I like the fact that everything and everyone can and should be slightly different. Again that's just my take on it. To each his own.

So, without jeaprodizing the original bike, I decided to "customize" this one just a little bit for my tastes. The parts are totally interchangable, so it can always go back to pure "Survivor" from "Survivor/Hybrid".

Basically, I like these bikes the way I did in the 70's. For me that meant little if any colors and all the best components available back then. This bike had it all with the right frame and Redline upgrades of the day, but I'm not a big fan of colored Tuffs for some reason, probably because I never had them. I respect the product very much, but I dig Webco mags much more. These Webco mags are from 1976 and fit perfectly with this bike.

What else? I am also a huge Motomag fan but I don't dig the weight compared to the Webco mags. As a "Tip of the Hat to Motomags" so to speak, I put my S&M Motoman sprocket on this bike (plus a brand new nickel chain for better reliability). The S&M sprocket is a very well made product and is also super light. I also dig the new school vibe in many ways, so this sprocket speaks to that in a subtle way.

Chrome Moly KKT's are huge with me, I love their quality and realiablity, so I threw on an NOS pair of those as well.

I'll never dig those original blue grips that came on this bike... So they were swapped too. I've always loved the original Hunt Wilde natural grips, and they perfectly era-correct for this Mongoose. Most of all, they feel great and are basically the only grips I really dig (along with Preston Petty Natural) for these 70's bikes.   

Again, this bike's status as a true "Survivor" will always be in tact, all the original parts are ready to be put back on at anytime.
Changing it up a little just gives me the satisfaction of some personal/original input and it now rides/feels exactly the way I like it.  smile

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC01424.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC01423.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC01427.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC01437.jpg


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#7 2011-01-17 3:50pm

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nice, we should do more of these. some folks restore bikes without really knowing how good it can look after just a cleanup.


: : : NEEDED : : :: : : NEEDED : : :: : : NEEDED : : :: : : NEEDED : : :: : : NEEDED : : :
GREEN 85 SKYWAY STREET BEAT frame set. original paint and decals please.
: : : WANTED: : :: : : WANTED: : :: : : WANTED : : :: : : WANTED : : :: : : WANTED : : :
DynaMAX seats in RED, YELLOW AND BLUE

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#8 2011-01-17 3:53pm

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Well done.  I especially appreciate your philosophy of "I want them to be mine".  Amen. smile

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#9 2011-01-17 3:57pm

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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!  cool


I'm always looking for early Mongoose frames with the lower gusset, 75-76 or early 77. And anything Ashtabula!!!
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OG SCRAMBLERS.
SEARCHING FOR A PRE-1983 SCHWINN SCRAMBLER THAT WAS PURCHASED FROM THE OUTDOOR STORE IN RED WING,MN THAT STILL HAS THE OUTDOOR STORE STICKER ON IT. ANY COLOR COMBO WILL DO.

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#10 2011-01-17 5:05pm

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very impressive clean up. What did u use to clean the grips ? ... boiling soap water ?

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#11 2011-01-17 6:11pm

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Thanks for the comments guys. smile

As to what I used on those ugly blue grips: I used half water, half vinegar and some dishwashing soap. Just boiled 'em and scrubbed them. I was just improvising... I'm sure there are plenty of different ways to clean grips, depending on what kind they are.


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#12 2011-01-17 7:15pm

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I won't tell if you don't... Great job on "your" bike smile


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#13 2011-01-17 7:23pm

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nice job! cool


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#14 2011-01-17 7:25pm

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Brickos wrote:

I won't tell if you don't... Great job on "your" bike smile

Huh? Please explain. neutral


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#15 2011-01-17 10:12pm

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PM sent. smile


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#16 2011-01-17 11:49pm

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Brickos wrote:

PM sent. smile

No PM received. sad Maybe try telling me what you want to say right here... smile The suspense is killing me! tongue


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#17 2011-01-18 4:03am

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Great job!  Cool bike.  How did you clean up the parts with the black finish like the cranks and chain?

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#18 2011-01-18 4:44am

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great job cool

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#19 2011-01-18 5:03am

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Excellent job , I prefer it the way you made it . I'm new to BMX Restoration but have dealt with " Survivor " issues with old skateboard setups , particularly from the late 1970's . I get stoked when I can read threads like this one . cool


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#20 2011-01-18 8:49am

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Brickos wrote:

I won't tell if you don't... Great job on "your" bike smile

I still have no idea WTF you are talking about son.

I see you are from Down Under... Are you Trent?

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#21 2011-01-18 10:03am

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Awesome clean up!! I like the survivor stage and your webco stage looks badass. Very professional!!!


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#22 2011-01-18 10:21am

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I would love to see a polished stem on there. I think it would set it off perfectly! Great job on both stages!

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#23 2011-01-18 7:33pm

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i think it looks better "your" way.... my question is how did you get the blue mags to look so good? hmm

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#24 2011-01-18 8:25pm

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Thanks for commenting guys. smile

Lowrider, Tuffs are a breeze to clean up IMO. I've heard people discuss a million different ways, but all I did is scrub them really well with hot soapy water using a nylon scrub brush. After a couple rounds of that, they were perfectly clean.

However, they still looked quite faded out once they dried. I know that clear penetrating oils can soak into Tuffs and make them bright again, it seems many people use WD-40. I didn't have any of that lying around so I used lard instead. tongue I'm not kidding you either... We always have a jar of lard in the kitchen that we use occasionally to wipe down cast iron pans and pots and then bake them with it in the oven. You may have heard of this process it's called "seasoning" your pans. It essentially makes the cast iron non-stick once it's done.

I figured if lard could penetrate cast iron, it should be able to penetrate plastic (glass infused nylon to be more precise in this case). It took a couple good wipes and low and behold, it started to work! Once I was done I wiped them down really well and that was it. I polished the hardware in the hub assemblies using Mothers and the OG tires got a quick wipe down using Armour All wipes. That all I did. smile


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#25 2011-01-18 9:33pm

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mongoosedrummer wrote:

Thanks for commenting guys. smile

Lowrider, Tuffs are a breeze to clean up IMO. I've heard people discuss a million different ways, but all I did is scrub them really well with hot soapy water using a nylon scrub brush. After a couple rounds of that, they were perfectly clean.

However, they still looked quite faded out once they dried. I know that clear penetrating oils can soak into Tuffs and make them bright again, it seems many people use WD-40. I didn't have any of that lying around so I used lard instead. tongue I'm not kidding you either... We always have a jar of lard in the kitchen that we use occasionally to wipe down cast iron pans and pots and then bake them with it in the oven. You may have heard of this process it's called "seasoning" your pans. It essentially makes the cast iron non-stick once it's done.

I figured if lard could penetrate cast iron, it should be able to penetrate plastic (glass infused nylon to be more precise in this case). It took a couple good wipes and low and behold, it started to work! Once I was done I wiped them down really well and that was it. I polished the hardware in the hub assemblies using Mothers and the OG tires got a quick wipe down using Armour All wipes. That all I did. smile

wow thanks for that answer, and this whole thread... lots of good info! smile

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