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#26 2010-10-03 4:01pm

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#27 2010-10-07 4:41pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

update XC2 screw 4MM X .70 X 8MM

I was able to pick up some black oxide screw at my local fasteners for $0.10 a piece compared to $0.27 a piece for stainless one at ace. I prefer the black oxide because its much harder than the stainless screws and I dont need to worry about stripping the allen head.
I just chucked the screw on my cordless drill and run the head on my buffer and it came out pretty good.

The allen wrench that I used is 2.5MM and it was snug . The screw fits in real snug with no play at all.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6929/xc2screws.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1434/xc21.jpg

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#28 2010-10-08 1:51am

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

SuperSon wrote:

update XC2 screw 4MM X .70 X 5MM

I was able to pick up some black oxide screw at my local fasteners for $0.10 a piece compared to $0.27 a piece for stainless one at ace. I prefer the black oxide because its much harder than the stainless screws and I dont need to worry about stripping the allen head.
I just chucked the screw on my cordless drill and run the head on my buffer and it came out pretty good.

The allen wrench that I used is 2.5MM and it was snug . The screw fits in real snug with no play at all.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6929/xc2screws.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1434/xc21.jpg

Cool..........are you sure the .70 pitch is not to wide of threads?  I could see it going in tight cause it is pushing the alloy out.  But would think if threaded in and out a few times it would break the alloy and strip quickly.  Just a thought.  The original .50 pitch are not made any longer and have a tighter thread.


Always interested in Suntour XCII and XCI sets that need restored.
[img]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g31/duane_2006/Suntour%20restoration/1.jpg[/img]

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#29 2010-10-13 3:31am

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Hey folks..........I've been talking to our metal work supplier about the possibility of cutting cages on his laser.  He can do it, and not necessarily for an astronomical amount of money, but not cheap either.  The more I buy, the lower it gets, but I don't know if it is realistic for me to do it.  So I have a marketing question for you.  Would you buy after market cages and for how much?  I know this is a funny question, but I'm not asking for a commitment, and just to give you an idea....I'm hoping to only lose a few bucks each the first time. 
My intent would be:

-Cut them similar to the originals (or do you think something else?).
-Powder coat semi gloss black (or polish? or anodize? or candy color?)
-Make as good as possible, but don't know what that means yet (for sure the laser cut will be nice).

What you say will help to determine if I do it or not.  If only $20....then I assure you it won't be done.  If only $30...I might do a small lot once, just to get myself some cages for a reasonable cost to myself.  And so on.....  Oh...and if someone else wants to do this so I have somewhere to buy cages from...by all means, please. 

Appreciate any feedback....

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Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#30 2010-10-13 3:53am

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$40-45 would be a good price complete and I would buy at that price. Old school cages if found cost anywhere from $50.00-65.00 for originals.
Urchin and DK design was hot and very similar!
Raw alum that can be sanded and polished would be the cheapest way to go and save money on powder wich can cost about $12-18 a pair.

Would the people cutting them be able to pre-shape them?  I have a spare POS cage if you need it.

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[img]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g31/duane_2006/Suntour%20restoration/1.jpg[/img]

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#31 2010-10-13 4:28pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Hi Duane:

I have a strategy for shaping them myself (I know...sounds scary).  My shop is sending me 2 rectangular strips of the sheet, similar in size to the cage dims so that I can test my strategy.  If I can't shape them decently, then this probably just won't work because this is a cost challenge and shops just don't work for free. 

It would probably be nice to get a POS cage from you because if I have them do it, I'm going to have to flatten one of my only 2 cages in order to get all the exact dims, especially the screw holes.  If I flatten my cage and then the project don't work, I'm in even worse shape.

Thanks for the price info.  I'm still interested in other feedback, but I think I'll go ahead and have a small run made (if the shaping strategy works).  I will definitely loose a little money, but I'm feeling game for experimenting.

Thanks


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#32 2010-10-24 6:39pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

My test mule. 
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4279.jpg
Pay no mind to the cuts on the teeth.  The purpose of this piece was to test my shaping strategy, the strength of the cage, etc.  That's a ~35# bike and I have a 235# test rider.  I cut the teeth in my garage...the real ones will be professionally cut.  My strategy worked pretty well I think.  Not perfect, but I think I will get better at it.  For sure..the 1st cage I destroyed, even before I got to shaping.  So this is the first one I shaped.
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4280.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4281.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4286.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4260.jpg
Oh...and wow...this has totally solved the problem of a slippery pedal.

Last edited by troynlori (2010-10-24 6:40pm)


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#33 2010-10-24 7:30pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

well done. the teeth doesnt have to be pointy for it to grab real good..Im designing a set that has teeth that are  flat on the top but it is tappered..
looks like this when you look at each tooth from the side    /¯\  ..almost like a teeth on chain ring:D


By the way Troy if you can find a shop that uses a water jet cutter itll be a lot smoother on the cuts and a good quality sheet of aluminum that is not too grainy on the surface so it wont be so hard to polish and it looks good left raw:D

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#34 2010-10-24 7:42pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Dstinson wrote:

SuperSon wrote:

update XC2 screw 4MM X .70 X 5MM

I was able to pick up some black oxide screw at my local fasteners for $0.10 a piece compared to $0.27 a piece for stainless one at ace. I prefer the black oxide because its much harder than the stainless screws and I dont need to worry about stripping the allen head.
I just chucked the screw on my cordless drill and run the head on my buffer and it came out pretty good.

The allen wrench that I used is 2.5MM and it was snug . The screw fits in real snug with no play at all.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6929/xc2screws.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1434/xc21.jpg

Cool..........are you sure the .70 pitch is not to wide of threads?  I could see it going in tight cause it is pushing the alloy out.  But would think if threaded in and out a few times it would break the alloy and strip quickly.  Just a thought.  The original .50 pitch are not made any longer and have a tighter thread.

not at all bud..It works like a charm..Tested it on a oprhan pedal that I have and I mustve taken it in and out 10 times and it still grabs good..lenghts the same
4X8X.70

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#35 2010-10-25 9:51am

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

troynlori wrote:

My test mule. 
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae15 … CN4279.jpg
Pay no mind to the cuts on the teeth.  The purpose of this piece was to test my shaping strategy, the strength of the cage, etc.  That's a ~35# bike and I have a 235# test rider.  I cut the teeth in my garage...the real ones will be professionally cut.  My strategy worked pretty well I think.  Not perfect, but I think I will get better at it.  For sure..the 1st cage I destroyed, even before I got to shaping.  So this is the first one I shaped.
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae15 … CN4280.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae15 … CN4281.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae15 … CN4286.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae15 … CN4260.jpg
Oh...and wow...this has totally solved the problem of a slippery pedal.

Great job very impressive work!  I forgot to send that orphan cage.  Do you still need it?


Always interested in Suntour XCII and XCI sets that need restored.
[img]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g31/duane_2006/Suntour%20restoration/1.jpg[/img]

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#36 2010-10-25 9:52am

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

SuperSon wrote:

Dstinson wrote:

SuperSon wrote:

update XC2 screw 4MM X .70 X 5MM

I was able to pick up some black oxide screw at my local fasteners for $0.10 a piece compared to $0.27 a piece for stainless one at ace. I prefer the black oxide because its much harder than the stainless screws and I dont need to worry about stripping the allen head.
I just chucked the screw on my cordless drill and run the head on my buffer and it came out pretty good.

The allen wrench that I used is 2.5MM and it was snug . The screw fits in real snug with no play at all.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6929/xc2screws.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1434/xc21.jpg

Cool..........are you sure the .70 pitch is not to wide of threads?  I could see it going in tight cause it is pushing the alloy out.  But would think if threaded in and out a few times it would break the alloy and strip quickly.  Just a thought.  The original .50 pitch are not made any longer and have a tighter thread.

not at all bud..It works like a charm..Tested it on a oprhan pedal that I have and I mustve taken it in and out 10 times and it still grabs good..lenghts the same
4X8X.70

Good to know.  I was afraid to use .70 pitch. wink Thanks for being the teat dummy LOL.......


Always interested in Suntour XCII and XCI sets that need restored.
[img]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g31/duane_2006/Suntour%20restoration/1.jpg[/img]

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#37 2010-10-25 1:47pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

skidmarked.

Awesome how-to!  Thanks!


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#38 2010-10-25 8:17pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Dstinson wrote:

Great job very impressive work!  I forgot to send that orphan cage.  Do you still need it?

Thanks.  I was pretty pleased.  Don't worry about the bum cage.  I went "all in" on this one...I used one of my own original cages.  I just need someone to confirm that the center tooth is in fact 2mm wider than all the other teeth, like I think it is.  I'm working off a very worn original. 


SuperSon wrote:

By the way Troy if you can find a shop that uses a water jet cutter itll be a lot smoother on the cuts and a good quality sheet of aluminum that is not too grainy on the surface so it wont be so hard to polish and it looks good left raw:D

Likely to be a laser.  Water jet is probably best, but I've got to take what I can get, and I'm pretty sure it will be real good.


I'll keep ya'll posted.


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#39 2010-11-09 4:49pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Ordered the professionally cut cages today.  Will see in a few weeks.  Consider yourself posted.


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#40 2010-11-10 9:45pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

i can get ano work done, i even had BODIES ano'd

New chrome on the spindles, polished nos cages and newly anodized bodies= PIMP
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/mad1da559er/DSC08473.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/mad1da559er/DSC08474.jpg


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#41 2010-11-11 1:27am

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martimagico wrote:

i can get ano work done, i even had BODIES ano'd

New chrome on the spindles, polished nos cages and newly anodized bodies= PIMP
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/ … C08473.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/ … C08474.jpg

Damn nice set!!!  I love them. big_smile


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[img]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g31/duane_2006/Suntour%20restoration/1.jpg[/img]

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#42 2010-11-11 3:50am

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troynlori wrote:

Ordered the professionally cut cages today.  Will see in a few weeks.  Consider yourself posted.

I'll be curious to see those re-pop cages.

Post them up when you get them.

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#43 2010-12-21 5:16pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Whew....that was a long couple a weeks.  But finally:

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4533.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4543.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4537.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4531.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/cages/DSCN4526.jpg

On to steps 2 (counterbore screw holes); 3 (sand smoother); 4 (shape); 5 (finish - haven't decided how yet).  It's still a ways off, but I'm making progress.


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#44 2010-12-21 5:47pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

Thread is pure gold!


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#45 2010-12-21 6:40pm

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what grade aluminum was used on those?

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#46 2010-12-21 7:04pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

The non-heat treatable variety.  You concerned about polishing?  Which grade would you have suggested?


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#47 2010-12-21 7:30pm

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looks pretty simple to me. im almost positive a monkey can do this. tongue

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#48 2010-12-21 7:35pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

I'm sorry, but I think you have the wrong tag line.  I think it's "it's so easy even a caveman can do it".



Hope I didn't just offend any cavemen.


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#49 2010-12-21 7:40pm

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No I was pretty content with my phrase line. but thanks for trying to think for me. cool

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#50 2010-12-21 8:08pm

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Re: Detailed/How to. Restoration thread Suntour XCII pedal sets!

troynlori wrote:

The non-heat treatable variety.  You concerned about polishing?  Which grade would you have suggested?

maybe he wants to know for ano purposes?


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