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#1 2009-12-03 9:29am

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NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

*****NEWEST UPDATE 03/25/10 -  i think i just solved the mystery . looks like a rocket to me . check the last coupl enew post on the end of the thread to see what i mean  big_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smile *********


***UPDATED  2/14/10 SUNDAY .  THIS THING IS STILL NOT IDENTIFIED AND MY OFFER STILL STANDS. .... .
ALSO , CHECK OUT THIS LINK ...TO A 97 QUICKSILVER . IT DOES HAVE SOME SIMILARITY TO MY FRAME . ESPECIALLY THE WELDING AND CRAFTSMANSHIP . LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DONE BY THE SAME GUY .  AND , EVEN THOUGH there are a lot of differences , the essential design is the same making me wonder if they could be related... *******C'MON GUYS , THIS THING HAS HAD HUNDREDS OF VIEWS , AND IS POSTED HERE , OZBMX AND OTHER SITES AND WE STILL CANT I.D. IT ....!!!!  DONT LET THIS BITCH BEAT US ,,ITS GOTTA HAVE A NAME lollol ANYONE WITH ANY INFO. ON MIDSCHOOL QUICKSILVER BIKES PLEASE HIT ME UP ...THANKS   

  LINK to papawheelies sale thread with the 97 quicksilver frame- screw it , heres the pic instead big_smile
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab282/bakerst952/quicksilver001.jpg

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heres the deal , i picked this frame up off some kid last week , he tried to sell it as an S&M . it is not . the closest thing i can find to it is a powerlite , but it has a weird brake cable guide bridge , and no P symbol stamped anywhere .  heres the specs . aluminum frame ,  1" threaded headset , set up for both types of brakes , linear and old style calipers .  american BB , 21" top tube .  the frame is light as hell . i figure the trick to identifying this frame is going to come from the unusual brake cable guide . its like a bridge instead of a little arm sticking up like most i have seen.  paint appears to be original.
SERIOUSLY people , this thing is driving me nuts. its the first frame i have not been able to get I.D.'ed .
there is a serial # on the outside of the right rear drop  # 60575688 . something else i noticed about this frame is the axle slots in the rear drops are flared a little at the beginning . the top of the cut for the slot angles up a few degrees at the very end. kinda odd. the welds on this look like it was done by hand , not on a assembly line.

if you can I.D. this thing ill give you this set of redline hubs . if you dont need these im sure i can find something youll need. ***ALSO ADDED THIS TO THE REWARD****
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http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq316/kbaldridge01/forsale2/9-21-09050.jpg


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http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq316/kbaldridge01/misc/decosterandunknownALframe020.jpg
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#2 2009-12-03 9:35am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

powerlite??

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#3 2009-12-03 9:37am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

dont ask me... i have no idea lollol  i guess i should say thats part of the game , i have to verify it is what you say it is . the drops are very powerlite looking , and the gussets at the headtube look powerlite as well , but the serials dont work with what i know of p-lites , theres no "p" symbol stamped anywhere , and i cant find any powerlites with that brake cable bridge .

seriously though , wild guesses , informed guess, useful comments , feel free to chime in guys . its all free publicicty , someone out there knows what this thing is big_smile

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#4 2009-12-03 9:39am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

Ya those are powerlite drops for sure


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#5 2009-12-03 9:40am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

i still think schwinn


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#6 2009-12-03 9:44am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

yeah , but most schwinns have the epicenter stays on them , this doesnt .  i been wondering if it could be some smaller company . or maybe it was built in the same factory the powerlites were or something . or maybe its just a different powerlite that isnt in the museum yet .

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#7 2009-12-03 9:46am

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Looks a LOT like this tho http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/powerlite/10052


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#8 2009-12-03 9:48am

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yeah , see what i mean . its so close to a powerlite its not even funny . some fundamental differences though , the cable guide, the extra brake bridge, the lower gusset between the stays , and mines a 1" threaded set up . driving me nuts , i hate not knowing what something is big_smile  i can say this though , it is one sweeta$$ frame for sure .

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#9 2009-12-03 9:50am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

THe only difference is the brake bridge basically


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#10 2009-12-03 9:51am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

yeah , but not one single powerlite anywhere has a cable guide like that , or dual brake setups that i can find . plus it has no powerlite stamp , i have never seen one without it .

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#11 2009-12-03 11:12am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

my 96 robinson has 2 brake mounts and the cable guide(different on mine).they were all under the gt name then and all had the same likeness.
also,i had a 99 robinson aluminumwith NO  R anywhere,just the serial #

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#12 2009-12-03 11:46am

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Sparky, cause it looks warm and perky!! What? lol smile

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#13 2009-12-03 11:47am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

rad products out of AZ made somthing like that in 91/92 will  try to find a pic of it


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#14 2009-12-03 11:52am

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

Yeah, that is a powerlite.  Somebody changed the brake bridge, that's why the welds look rough.  And there is a P somewhere under the yellow paint.

Are you sure about that top tube length?  I'd say this was a 97 P47 Junior,  but too long to be. 

If that measure is right, it is a 1994-1996 P-61.  The thing is, that bike would have always been 1 1/8".
It is possible somebody just rigged it to use the fork they had? It's easy to use 1" on newe frames.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/powerlite/14897

How does one get those nice black hubs???


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#15 2009-12-03 11:54am

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I am the owl... wrote:

Ya those are powerlite drops for sure

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#16 2009-12-03 1:03pm

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Yeah, that is a powerlite.  Somebody changed the brake bridge, that's why the welds look rough.  And there is a P somewhere under the yellow paint.

Are you sure about that top tube length?  I'd say this was a 97 P47 Junior,  but too long to be. 

If that measure is right, it is a 1994-1996 P-61.  The thing is, that bike would have always been 1 1/8".
It is possible somebody just rigged it to use the fork they had? It's easy to use 1" on newe frames.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/powerlite/14897

How does one get those nice black hubs???

well , im holding it in my hands and i can tell you for a fact that the welds on that bridge are identical to the rest of the welds. also , im real sure there is no p hiding under the yellow paint , have looked real close for indentations, also , i dont see how someone could put i ton thick enough to cover up the p but leave the serial number in the same area completely legible.  the bike is a 1" threaded headtube setup , not adapted or altered. also , powerlite does not have the same brake setup , you can run both types on this.  and to answer your last question , the way to get those hubs is to name the frame  big_smile not convince me its a powerlite . dont get me wrong , i would love for it to be a powerlite , i myself looked for reaons to call it one , but i really think it is not . unless its a factory one off or something .

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#17 2009-12-03 1:06pm

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oh , and on the top tube measurement , i have been a professional carpenter frame/trim  specializing in custom stain grade stairs for 20 years , so yup . im 100% on the measurement lol

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#18 2009-12-03 1:08pm

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FRESSTYLE FREEK wrote:

rad products out of AZ made somthing like that in 91/92 will  try to find a pic of it

interesting , i will try to dig up something on that as well . that is my thinking at this point , smaller lesser known company , probably early 90's trying to be innovative .

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#19 2009-12-03 1:33pm

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#20 2009-12-03 1:35pm

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andy_116 wrote:

its a diamond back viper mate http://yellowbmx.com/KidsBikeDiamondbac … Wheels.jpg

Thats not it

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#21 2009-12-03 1:36pm

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its an older one than that model, cant find pic, pritty sure tho

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#22 2009-12-03 1:46pm

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

Bondo would wipe out the "P" and can do wonders on welds to make them looke "Nice". this seriously looks like what ya got there. Dont ID it, build it and ride it, chances are that will be the best use of this flyboy!

pitbaldridge wrote:

tpaguy71 wrote:

Yeah, that is a powerlite.  Somebody changed the brake bridge, that's why the welds look rough.  And there is a P somewhere under the yellow paint.

Are you sure about that top tube length?  I'd say this was a 97 P47 Junior,  but too long to be. 

If that measure is right, it is a 1994-1996 P-61.  The thing is, that bike would have always been 1 1/8".
It is possible somebody just rigged it to use the fork they had? It's easy to use 1" on newe frames.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/powerlite/14897

How does one get those nice black hubs???

well , im holding it in my hands and i can tell you for a fact that the welds on that bridge are identical to the rest of the welds. also , im real sure there is no p hiding under the yellow paint , have looked real close for indentations, also , i dont see how someone could put i ton thick enough to cover up the p but leave the serial number in the same area completely legible.  the bike is a 1" threaded headtube setup , not adapted or altered. also , powerlite does not have the same brake setup , you can run both types on this.  and to answer your last question , the way to get those hubs is to name the frame  big_smile not convince me its a powerlite . dont get me wrong , i would love for it to be a powerlite , i myself looked for reaons to call it one , but i really think it is not . unless its a factory one off or something .


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#23 2009-12-03 1:48pm

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

I think you are right about the one-off thing.  Either it was a proto they were playing around with or someone was trying to copy them.
But the way they reinforce the top and bottome tubes at the head tube is Very uniquely Powerlite.   Of course, the rear dropouts are P-lite as well -but the Lack of a logo is strange.  They did use that yellow color too -but I didn't figure that was original.  I've NEVER seen that kind of mid school canti brake bridge before -looks real custom to me.

P-lite made a mid range aluminum bike for a while called a Ditch -you don't see many around. (yeah they made chromoly ones too)  I don't know if they made them in that time frame either -would still have to be 94 to 96.  That chain stay gusset is bugging me too -that doesn't look P-lite at all.  You got a really unique bike there.

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#24 2009-12-03 2:46pm

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

Bondo would wipe out the "P" and can do wonders on welds to make them looke "Nice". this seriously looks like what ya got there. Dont ID it, build it and ride it, chances are that will be the best use of this flyboy!

please explain to me exactly how you "bondo" a weld to clean it up ? by the way , my dad has owned a mopar restoration shop since i was born , and i grew up going to every mopar, hot rod, street rod nats, hershey show, carlisle , so im pretty familiar with metal work , resto and alterations. im by no means a resto guy , but i have sen enough work over the years to say pretty confidently this is all original and was welded up a tthe same time , and no , i will bet my left nut there is no p hiding under some bondo on that drop. as far as building it and riding it , thats a great idea for someone ( its for sale ) but its also a rare frame and should be identified and added to the museum . not I.D.ing your stuff doesnt make any sense to me . what if i end up having a rare one off from powerlite built specifically for a factory rider , or what if its from a small company that only turned out a few frames back in the day ? you never know untill you find out.  and to be honest , i learn more by identifying and tracking down the history of some of the stuff i come across that from anything else. i had never heard of malvern stars untill i saw one in a guys barn and drug it home. now i know quite a bit about them and am learning more every day as i resto-mod it . identifying what you have is extremely important in my opinion .

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#25 2009-12-03 2:54pm

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Re: NAME this FRAME & WIN a PRIZE- seriously, its driving me nuts

Looks like an LJ2009 to me  hmm

LJ = Lake Jumper   lol  lol

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