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#1 2009-02-16 6:42am

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1982 Kuwahara 24

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1982 Kuwahara 24

This was my bike as a kid, its been in the parents shed for 14 years, unfortunately they live by the coast so the salty air has been a bit rough on the chrome. So, come winter i'll be stripping it back again and re-chroming. the frame itself isn't so bad oxalic acid might just do the trick but the forks and bars are in need.
I blew the drop out open and bent the axle & hub in a down hill pursuit back in 1994 and its been hanging in the garage ever since, so i have had to get the forks stripped and welded, had some stepped washers made up for the key hole drop outs (so i dont bust them open again). 
The serial is T2E1567 which as far i understand suggests that the frame was made in 1982!
Specs till so far
Kuwahara 24" Frame (made by Tange)
Kuwahara floval fork
kuwahara Cruiser Bars
Stupidly i replaced the Elina seat so i'm now running with comfort until i can find a nice lighting bolt
Topline 172.5 3 piece crank
Tange headset
Skyway 24" Tuffs which replaced the original Araya 24x1.75's with Suntour hubs
Dia-Compe seatclamp
Dia-Compe Mx1000 with weinman adjuster Brake
Dia-Compe Brake Lever
Oakley F1 Grips
And more to come...


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#2 2009-02-16 7:03am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Nice bike!
I am 99.9% certain your bike is a 1982 Cycle Pro Bonzai. Kuwahara`s do not have a gusset near the headtube like yours does. Check out mine:
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/9373
My serial is just a couple numbers away from yours. T2=1982.
I don`t think Kuwahara made a cruiser until 1983.

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#3 2009-02-16 7:18am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Could it be that our 15,000th bike is mis-labeled.
I agree, it does look like a Cycle-pro.
I wonder if Kuwahara started with those? or just wrong stickers?


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#4 2009-02-16 10:51am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Nice what ever it is smile


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#5 2009-02-16 9:21pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

I recently sold a frame that looks the same and the person I purchased it off told me it was a Factory Kuwahara. It had a Kuwahara headtube and seattube sticker still on it also. I had heard that these were sold in Canada and Australia and were different from the ones in the USA with the 5" headtubes.

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#6 2009-02-17 3:45am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

I have those same cruiser bars that were originally on my 82-83 hutch 24.. I was told they were early Kuwahara Cruiser bars.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg1/teched88/hutch/parts/IMG_0735.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg1/teched88/hutch/parts/IMG_0738.jpg

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#7 2009-02-20 9:30pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

the original seat had Kuwahara printed on it.
It was definitely purchased in Australia stickered Kuwahara.

Im thinking that it was made in the Tange factory (hence the "T" in the serial) and then distributed as a kuwahara.   Maybe Tange made the frames and then sold them in different countries as different brands...

Oh and sorry that "1981" was a typo i meant 1982. wink


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#8 2009-02-20 9:32pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

scraplord wrote:

Nice bike!
I am 99.9% certain your bike is a 1982 Cycle Pro Bonzai. Kuwahara`s do not have a gusset near the headtube like yours does. Check out mine:
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/9373
My serial is just a couple numbers away from yours. T2=1982.
I don`t think Kuwahara made a cruiser until 1983.

BTW they are as far as i can tell identical. ive added a pic of the gusset


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#9 2009-02-21 4:11am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Kuwahara bikes have a flat brake bridge and what makes them really remarkeable are the double dropouts. All of them are made by Tange.


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#10 2009-02-21 1:02pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Any holes in the headtube for a badge?


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#11 2009-02-22 8:20am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

i have a 82 cycle pro bonzia 24" still trying to piece together. anyone have parts let me know http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/bulldurham_bucket/cycleprobonzi.jpg


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#12 2009-02-23 1:40am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

cycle pro vs kuwahara

Is this the cycle pro frame you have "scraps"? My kuwi doesnt have that support bar (gusset?) behind the crank housing!

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/kuwahara/6427/1

this guy has an 83 cruiser which appears to be the same as mine. Just maybe, kuwi made the cruisers in 82 and released them in 83???

i have the oval forks too!! im keen to find out more if anyone can add ?

surely theres a kuwi expert on this forum ?


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#13 2009-02-23 1:44am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

actually looking at your cycle pro i think i can see that it has that support bar behind the crank housing so...

so in conclusion i reckon tange built, but different frame and different branding. tongue


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#14 2009-02-23 4:54am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

There are three companies who sold this frame in slightly different executions:

Cycle pro: with gusset under downtube and support bar behind crank housing
Kuwahara: without gusset and flat brake bridge and double dropouts from 1983 on
Schauff Anaconda: The same like the Kuwahara but with round brake bridge and without double dropouts

I can only assume Kuwahara wanted to sell some Cruisers and therefore used the Cycle Pro ones and just relabled them before they got their own with the above mentioned changes in 1983 from Tange.


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#15 2009-02-23 11:34pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Thanks i reckon youre on the right track! and guess that they probably started in 82 considering the T2 referring to the year of manufacture.

BMX4ME wrote:

There are three companies who sold this frame in slightly different executions:

Cycle pro: with gusset under downtube and support bar behind crank housing
Kuwahara: without gusset and flat brake bridge and double dropouts from 1983 on
Schauff Anaconda: The same like the Kuwahara but with round brake bridge and without double dropouts

I can only assume Kuwahara wanted to sell some Cruisers and therefore used the Cycle Pro ones and just relabled them before they got their own with the above mentioned changes in 1983 from Tange.


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#16 2009-02-24 2:00am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Further more the Schauff and the Kuwahara have the 5 inch headtube. The Kuwi above or the Cycle Pro not.
But if it's originally stickered with Kuwahara decals it is a 82' KUWAHARA.

Heck, who knows what all the companies have done back in the days. Bought leftover frames from other companies relabeled them. For instance the Mauler from SE.


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#17 2009-02-24 2:09am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

BMX4ME wrote:

There are three companies who sold this frame in slightly different executions:

Cycle pro: with gusset under downtube and support bar behind crank housing
Kuwahara: without gusset and flat brake bridge and double dropouts from 1983 on
Schauff Anaconda: The same like the Kuwahara but with round brake bridge and without double dropouts

I can only assume Kuwahara wanted to sell some Cruisers and therefore used the Cycle Pro ones and just relabled them before they got their own with the above mentioned changes in 1983 from Tange.

Er, from 1983 on, it was a completely different frame. The 1983 onwards frames had 5 inch head tubes, lower profile geometry, longer top tube, plus the flat brake bridge and double thickness dropouts. They are completely different frames. Plus the fork legs were a bigger outside diameter.


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#18 2009-02-24 3:12am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

That's exactly what i was saying. From 1983 on Kuwahara really had their own cruiser. Before they were just labeled Tange made "Cycle Pro".
I have an 1983 Schauff made by Tange. Same geometry than the Kuwahara, but without double dropouts and round brakebridge.
Beside this, exactly the same frame.

For reference and more information check this: http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/tange/6511

All the mysteries should be solved now.


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#19 2009-02-25 12:00am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

BMX4ME wrote:

That's exactly what i was saying. From 1983 on Kuwahara really had their own cruiser. Before they were just labeled Tange made "Cycle Pro".
I have an 1983 Schauff made by Tange. Same geometry than the Kuwahara, but without double dropouts and round brakebridge.
Beside this, exactly the same frame.

For reference and more information check this: http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/tange/6511

All the mysteries should be solved now.

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you posted. It looked like you were saying they were the same frame except for the double dropouts anf flat brake bridge. My bad sad

I'm curious, on your Tange 24. What is the headtube length? Someone tried to sell me one of those a while back, but they told me the headtube was six inches long. It is hard to tell from the photos. The geometry also looks a little different on your Tange frame in comparison to the Kuwahara 24. Hard to tell from photos though I guess. Your Tange 24 is a nice looking frame.


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#20 2009-02-25 4:01pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

BMX4ME wrote:

That's exactly what i was saying. From 1983 on Kuwahara really had their own cruiser. Before they were just labeled Tange made "Cycle Pro".
I have an 1983 Schauff made by Tange. Same geometry than the Kuwahara, but without double dropouts and round brakebridge.
Beside this, exactly the same frame.

For reference and more information check this: http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/tange/6511

All the mysteries should be solved now.

Thanks for the info!
I am not an expert on all things Tange, but have seen enough of their work to know they made a lot of variations. They made the Cycle Pro and the Kuwahara (among others).


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#21 2009-03-12 1:03pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

this was sold as a kuwahara cruiser in 1982,i have just found on in south africa with the same bars [with kuwa stickers on],my bike is 99% original.the importer was dave wisman cycles and my bike still has his sticker on the frame.will post pics as soon as the weekend is over.

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#22 2009-03-12 10:49pm

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

1983 Kuwahara 24. Double dropouts, flat brake bridge, and 5 inch head tube. And a photo of og factory Kuwahara cruiser bars.

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~axsyscnc/Post/Kuw%20Cru%20005.jpg
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~axsyscnc/Post/Kuwahara24bars.jpg


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#23 2009-03-19 12:06am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

very nice, maybe my next resto!


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#24 2009-04-11 5:53am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

Ginge,

I have the same frame and flovaled fork as you!  I have had my bike for a while and did some research on it years ago, even going as far buying a Cycle Pro Bonzai 24" to sudy it up close.  The weld quality, fork design and weight was not on par with the Kuwi Frame.  And yes the support behind the rear lug and badge holes are clear seperations between the two. 

I think Tange built and sold a racing cruiser designed frame to both Kuwahara and Cycle Pro with certain specs and differences.

In fact Tange sold the later 5" ht, flat brake bridge 83'+ (Kuwahara cruiser) as simply (Tange Cruiser) without Kuwahara decals in Europe, OZ and Asia! I have pics of a NOS one. So there is not one Kuwahara cruiser that Tange made that was purely Kuwahara.

Not much different than the SE/Cycle Pro relationship, SE/Race Inc., HUTCH/PROFILE....

I'd like to clearify that there is no re-badging on these frames and the forks are the most beautiful forks that I have ever seen.

Forks are Floval, yet subtle, certainly TANGE, like a JMC bladded fork and Race Inc. RF-M blended into a cruiser fork! sIcK....

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#25 2009-04-12 12:19am

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Re: 1982 Kuwahara 24

>In fact Tange sold the later 5" ht, flat brake bridge 83'+ (Kuwahara cruiser) as simply (Tange Cruiser) without Kuwahara decals in Europe, OZ and Asia! I have pics of a NOS one. So there is not one Kuwahara >cruiser that Tange made that was purely Kuwahara.

Are the brake bridges flat on these frames you describe? The photos I have seen of them show a round brake bridge. In any case, the frame geometry is quite different on those Tange frames in comparison to the Kuwahara 24 frames.

Also the known 83 Kuwahara 24 cruiser was sold as a complete in Europe (at a minimum in the Netherlands), with the 5 inch headtube/flat brake bridge/double dropouts and Kuwahara cruiser bars. Check the advertisement on Jamie's site.

I still believe that the only true Kuwahara 1983 24, is the 5 inch head tube/double thickness dropout/flat brake bridge model.


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