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Lavender Performer (original paint/stickers)
Serial: DS61052518
4130 Stamp: NO
Holes on dropout: 4

Last edited by nsrrider1 (2010-03-13 10:27am)

munners wrote:

Taiwan '85 GT Performers that had 3 holes in rear drop outs had the serial G5...stamped under the BB too.

86 ones that had 4 hole rear drop outs also had the serial under the BB and all of the ones i had started DS....

I know the deal with US 84 pre stamped, US 84 stamped, US 85 stamped and Taiwan stamped 85's if anyone wants to know.

taiwan's didnt start until '86 and had the DS6 serial numbers...some '85s were made in Japan and yes do also have the 3 holes and would also sport the G5, but some '86s have the G5 serial as well and this is for discussion of '86 only

Blue Performer (was original paint/stickers)
Serial: F6048895 on BB
4130 Stamp: YES
Holes on dropout: 4
Forks: 2 cable guides

This one got new blue powder and World Tour decals before I realized maybe it shouldn't have.



Purple World Tour (original paint/stickers)
Serial: G5K04335 on BB
4130 Stamp: YES
Holes on dropout: 3 holes
Forks: 1 cable guide




The 3 hole dropout has the notch cutout of them between the stays where as the 4 hole does not.

Last edited by macaltec (2008-12-24 1:26pm)

Here are a couple of shots of the head tube angle.  When I first brought the World Tour home I thought the fork was bent.  It really sticks out sitting next to the other 86. 

Lavender Performer (original paint/new FS decal)
Serial #: 1087343 (weird stamp. missing 6 after 8) on dropout with FS stamp
4130: yes
Holes: 4
Fork: 1 cable guide



Blue World Tour (original paint/decals)
Serial #: G5J05390 on BB
4130: yes
Holes: 3
Fork: 1 cable guide



Unknown (stripped frame)
Serial #: F6047466 on BB
4130: yes
Holes: 4
Fork: 2 cable guides

Last edited by acuzerfdw (2008-12-24 12:42pm)

Going by Phil's serial numbers, it's safe to say that GT switched from World Tour to Freestyle Tour as early as June of '86. Could have been sooner, but we'll see as more info comes in.

Last edited by acuzerfdw (2008-12-24 12:50pm)

That pink one was made in December of '85, making it an '86 model when it was made. Nice collection, Phil!

LOL. Holy sh1t! whew.

Anyway. I said it before, the holes don't mean jack.

SERIAL # G6G1279
Originally a PFT.

Good thread Mike. I hope I learn something.

Last edited by psychoduddycycles (2008-12-24 11:27pm)

Phil Wood's '86 PFT is a G6 serial as well. I wonder if these were left over frames (because of the 3 holes on dropout) that were used to make the Freestyle Tours once they had to start changing the name of the model. Those were made in Japan, where the World Tours were being made. Duddy's and Phil's bikes are a month apart.

Maybe we should also take note of the 3-hole dropouts and where they were made. For example, do all 3-hole dropouts have the G in the serial number and made in Japan, while 3-hole and serial on dropout were made in U.S? Do the DS6------- and F6------ serials all have 4 holes and made in Taiwan or elsewhere? Very interesting.

Last edited by acuzerfdw (2008-12-25 8:03pm)

DR RAD wrote:

i not a gt fan but what year is this 4 hole with fs
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Let me help you out here a bit:





Your frame was made in December of '85 as an '86 model GT. not sure as to what model it was or if it was even sold as a complete bike or just a frame set.

I want to say that the ones you'll see a difference in the headtube angle would be between those frames that were actually made in '85 and those that were made in '86. There are '86 model Performers that were made in '85 therefore had the angle like the '85 models. Did I even make sense here?

Dyno-Mike wrote:

munners wrote:

Taiwan '85 GT Performers that had 3 holes in rear drop outs had the serial G5...stamped under the BB too.

86 ones that had 4 hole rear drop outs also had the serial under the BB and all of the ones i had started DS....

I know the deal with US 84 pre stamped, US 84 stamped, US 85 stamped and Taiwan stamped 85's if anyone wants to know.

taiwan's didnt start until '86 and had the DS6 serial numbers...some '85s were made in Japan and yes do also have the 3 holes and would also sport the G5, but some '86s have the G5 serial as well and this is for discussion of '86 only

Sorry i did mean Japan not Taiwan. Your correct.

Just to make it a bit more interesting.... The ones you see with 4 holes in rear drops and the FS and serial number stamped in drop out were 'apparently' 84 framesets that were left over by the US fabricators and then re-issued in 86 with the insertion of the extra hole to make them look ike 86 framesets.

Not sure how true this is. but it would make sense.
A member of a UK site had one of these and we didnt understand why he would have an 84 frameset with 4 holes in. When he showed us the pics of the bike before the resto it was a clearly a 86 spec bike.