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I guess I know what this is but I've never seen a CYC without a gusset. It's not a mini but a full sized frame and shows no sign of modifications. Serial number indicates '77 or '78. I guess it's cool because it's unique....but I'm kind of a gusset fan. Any speculation on this frame?

BMX*Racer*1983 · 2010-11-02 2:08pm

I like it man I know that much I am digging the tight loop!

Racer · 2010-11-02 9:22pm

Weird for sure. 78 era decals. For sure CYC built. Its TriMoly so not top of the line but not bottom. Id say they may have experimented or made a small run for just Hank and Frank. Thats just a guess on my part. I think some NorCal riders the Cook bros rode for both Hank and Frank and CYC at one point. I wouldnt be suprised if it was made for them.
Now the Semi Pro model you cant see in any of the ads. I always assumed it was the bike with CYC stamped into the gusset. I dont think yours is the Semi Pro because Im pretty sure from memory that model was all 4130.
I found an old team picture I have yet to put on my website http://cycbmx.wordpress.com because i need to ID all the riders.
It shows all the SoCal team riders in 78. 2 of them are on bikes with no gusset that could be regular Stormers. Id bet they just took the Stormer MXR and removed the gusset for team riders. But didnt want to sell it for fear it wasnt strong enough or at least tested enough just yet. Sure it worked on the smaller Ames model but that was aimed at smaller riders.

psychoduddycycles · 2010-11-02 10:45pm

The welds are far too nice to be a 77-79. I'd suspect it to be a 80 Panther with left-over decals.

Monster-Robot · 2010-11-03 7:35am

Were there geometry differences between the late Stormers and the Panthers?

Consistency was not really a CYC strong point.

stvbmxlvr · 2010-11-03 7:43am

That is what I believe to be a mislabeled Panther. The geometry between the late Stormers and Panther models is the same, just the Panther was made with cromo tubing. Panther models also had the kickstand hole, kind of ironic since it was more of a race model than the Stormer. Check the welds on your frame against a gusset stormer. The welds on a Panther are much nicer than those on a standard Stormer frame. Nice frame by the way! Love the old CYC's!
Steve

joshuaj08 · 2010-11-03 8:10am

There's two 1980 CYC Panthers on here without the gussets

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cyc/9428

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cyc/36948

Monster-Robot · 2010-11-03 8:24am

I have a '76 Stormer boxed up, but since they are different styles I didn't compare them side-by-side. It definitely appears to be a Panther. Was '79 the first year for the Panther?

Any thoughts on the relatively low serial number?

stvbmxlvr · 2010-11-03 8:38am

While I am not an expert, I bet this is an early model of what would become the Panther. Probably used up some decals and then changed the name to Panther as another model in the lineup. Interesting bike. I wish someone who worked for the company back then would chime in and set us all straight! I have a Stormer Jr. with a bashguard that also measures and looks the same as the standard Stormer.

BlackSaturday · 2010-11-03 3:23pm

I have a panther just like this one I'll post pics when I can

Racer · 2010-11-03 8:15pm

The Panther was not all CroMo. Neither is the bike in question though.
Im with stvbmxlvr. Perhaps it was made for the Cooks brothers and other team members before being released as a Panther.
So if thats the case both me and stv could be correct. I think the decals authentic originall so calling it a Panther would be wrong.

Unless someone adds more proof Im calling it a team bike being tested to become the Panther. Thats my 2 cents that and a buck may you get a cup of coffee somewhere.

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Monster-Robot · 2010-11-04 6:27am

Interesting stuff. I really didn't have much interest in the frame at first as my focus is on earlier bikes. I was planning an putting it on eBay but I guess I'll put it at the back of the queue for a while and see if more information floats up.

stvbmxlvr · 2010-11-04 9:45am

Racer wrote:
The Panther was not all CroMo. Neither is the bike in question though.
Im with stvbmxlvr. Perhaps it was made for the Cooks brothers and other team members before being released as a Panther.
So if thats the case both me and stv could be correct. I think the decals authentic originall so calling it a Panther would be wrong.

Unless someone adds more proof Im calling it a team bike being tested to become the Panther. Thats my 2 cents that and a buck may you get a cup of coffee somewhere.

I should have clarified that the Panther frame is "4 tubes cro-mo"according to some magazine ads from back in the day, not full cro-mo tubing. I assume that would be the top tube, down tube, seat tube, and rear loop tail section since it is all one peice. I have weighed my Pather frame stipped down completely, even minus the bearing cups and it weighed right at 5lbs, give or take an ounce. It would be interesting to see what your frame weighs for comparison.

Racer · 2010-11-04 9:04pm

Im pretty sure the 4 tubes would be top, down, seat and head. The rear end was certainly HiTen (Mild Steel) as are the dropouts etc.
I think I mention the guys from hank and Frank riding for CYC somewhere on my site. Think the more famous of the two brothers was Bodie Cook. (No relation to the Cooks Bros. Of SoCal btw). LOL never mind on that. I had them confused. It was Bobby Creek. not Bodie Cook. Not sure if the Creeks ever rode for Hank n Frank so I take that possiblity down a notch.

Ill go post the Team picture that shows riders on this bike on my CYC website.

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hoffman1 · 2010-11-04 9:09pm

nice either way

stvbmxlvr · 2010-11-05 6:48am

Racer wrote:
Im pretty sure the 4 tubes would be top, down, seat and head. The rear end was certainly HiTen (Mild Steel) as are the dropouts etc.
I think I mention the guys from hank and Frank riding for CYC somewhere on my site. Think the more famous of the two brothers was Bodie Cook. (No relation to the Cooks Bros. Of SoCal btw). LOL never mind on that. I had them confused. It was Bobby Creek. not Bodie Cook. Not sure if the Creeks ever rode for Hank n Frank so I take that possiblity down a notch.

Ill go post the Team picture that shows riders on this bike on my CYC website.

That would make more sense, It would basically be an all cromo frame if the rear was also. I stand corrected!

Monster-Robot · 2010-11-05 6:58am

I'm assuming that you are talking about the #267 bike and maybe #716?

Are those team bikes all running CYC stickered Redline forks?

Interesting photo. There is a lot going on with those team bikes. Worthy of it's own thread.

Racer · 2010-11-05 8:49pm

Not 267 thats a Ames Stormer I believe.
Im talking bout the 2 at the end 716 and 1949
Cant see enough of the bikes to tell for sure. But notice not one is riding the gusseted CYC. One guy is on a Cooks I think with Cooks forks, another on a DG. Yeah they look like Redline forks to me also. Makes sense since CYC never made forks and sold Redlines.

Monster-Robot · 2010-11-06 8:58am

Do you think those are blue 7Cs on those bikes? Any guesses on that crank that is visible?

I guess if I'm going to keep it I might as well build it up. And so it begins...

Racer · 2010-11-06 5:33pm

I think 78 was 7bs only but not sure when 7Cs came out so I dunno.

Monster-Robot · 2012-05-28 11:41am

Updated with original finish, era-correct (+/- 3 years) parts with a couple of exceptions. I wanted to build a bike this morning but didn't want to clean or rebuild any parts or wheels so this is what I came up with:

The pedals are cheapie Victors but will stay until I can find some gold KKT Lightnings. I also had to piece together a head-set from miscellaneous parts. I need to stock up on some so I'll probably replace the head-set with a correct "set" later.

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stvbmxlvr · 2012-05-28 5:14pm

Looks sharp! Hows that Stormer Jr. coming along? I miss that bike.

Racer · 2012-05-28 9:30pm

Looks great.

Monster-Robot · 2012-05-29 5:17am

Thanks guys and thanks for your help on this frame. I'll probably switch this around a bit. This isn't the way I originally envisioned the bike. If I can find some nice blue 7C rims I may build it like a Team bike.

The Jr frame is still in the queue. I want to build it similar to the PP bikes and I just recently found some spokes to lace up Araya 105 rims. I'm also trying to find the front brake set and an old road-bike gear pack for the seat.

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