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If you look at my old post at http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.p … 83&p=1 - you'll see I have a rusty 86 Master I was looking to restore - I actually just sent it to Chip and it's on it's way back. That's my original Haro I had as a kid and it was an early `86 model - exactly identical to the one I just picked up last week.

This one is also has a Nov of 85 serial number just like my original, but a little bit lower of a number.

The one I just picked up has a sugino bb
Later model has Suntour bb

Next - the Group1 stem and Odyssey Gyro. I'm almost positive that my original bike I had came with a Gyro, but was switched out for some reason or another. The new bike I just picked up has a Gyro and the one thing I noticed about my two Group 1 stems is they have ANLUN stamped with backwards N's. I think these stems indicated they were for bikes with Gyros. All of the other Group1 stems I see for sale don't have the backwards N. Does anyone know if that's the case - or did any of these bikes come originally with gyros?

Next up is the levers. My old bike came with these for front and rear brakes:

This new bike has the lever above for a front brake and this for a rear brake:

Forks:
These are the forks off of my original bike - the one with the later serial number:

These are the forks on the bike I just picked up - notice how high the holes are - and they came with flip down `86 standers:

And here are regular `86 forks:

Can anyone shed any light on what I have or know anything else about this bike?

Also - would you have Chip re-do it or leave it as it is? Whoever had it before me looks to have sprayed it with white spray paint - some of the decals have over spray and the crank arms have a little bit that I'm in the process of removing.

FYI - My old rusty bike was painted all green because the chrome was in too bad of shape to be re-plated.

five · 2012-05-03 8:06pm

I would absolutely not restore that. I love it!!

pointer · 2012-05-03 8:08pm

I would absolutely not restore that. I love it!!

I think I'm in the same boat - it's imperfections are so perfect!

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-03 8:10pm

I believe '86 Masters came with Dia Compe Tech 5 brake levers either 183 or 283.(not sure which number but both are pretty much the same) Those levers on the bike you got look like 128 Tech 6 levers.

Haro-83 · 2012-05-03 9:11pm

Keep it asis

psychoduddycycles · 2012-05-03 9:15pm

Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-03 9:30pm

psychoduddycycles wrote:
Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's

---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-03 9:32pm

andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
psychoduddycycles wrote:
Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's
---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.

---sorry type mistake "psychoduddycycles IS correct---

tbone5446 · 2012-05-03 10:51pm

dont restore that beauty!

Hrkhotrods · 2012-05-03 11:34pm

tbone5446 wrote:
dont restore that beauty!

+1

pointer · 2012-05-04 12:57am

Don't worry guys - gonna keep it all original. I'm not changing anything on it except...

The gyro is coming off because I don't really do tricks, blue cables are hard to find, and it's not original to the bike.

I have a NOS chrome Hatta MX-10 in the box, but I just ordered a Tioga Bear trap 2 for $20 to throw on there.

The Hatta would make it all OG, but they're kind of hard to come by and I plan on riding this thing!! I'll save the Hatta for now - or is it worthy? Chip from C4 told me they tend to come loose and a bear trap is better if I plan on riding it.

Is there any place special to go and get blue cables?

The overspray came off real easy with steel wool - she's lookin' good so far!

I just picked these up from radmeon. They're in the perfect condition!

psychoduddycycles · 2012-05-04 1:01am

I agree. A beartrap would be a way better idea for riding. Or a GT epoch. Sacriledge on a Haro!!

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-04 1:05am

The Hatta is a good headset. But if you want to save it that Tioga Bear Trap 2 it the best bang for your buck. It is a great headset. In the body shop we use clay bar to take off over spray. We only use steel wool on the glass. Hopefully it didn't scratch to bad. lol I know frame has some chips already but a great survivor.

pointer · 2012-05-04 3:02pm

I took off the Gyro - On the headset on there now the top nut says 'motocross Japan Tange' - is it anything special?

I just need some break cables - anybody know where to get them? The nippon on the back has the quick adjust so the rear brake cable will need a threaded piece - are those hard to come by?

tfi_friday · 2012-05-04 3:36pm

andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
psychoduddycycles wrote:
Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's
---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.

What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.

pointer · 2012-05-04 5:18pm

What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.

Do you have a pic of it? It may be because of how large the top Hatta bearing nut is.

The headset on mine is a Tange MX-2 which isn't original to the bike - so I'm pretty sure the Gyro and cables aren't either.

Looks like the cables won't be a problem - I think I found everything I need.

tfi_friday · 2012-05-07 1:52am

pointer wrote:
What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.
Do you have a pic of it? It may be because of how large the top Hatta bearing nut is.

The headset on mine is a Tange MX-2 which isn't original to the bike - so I'm pretty sure the Gyro and cables aren't either.

Looks like the cables won't be a problem - I think I found everything I need.

My Frame and forks are idential to yours, a white Nov '85 dated 1986 Master, with the high fork stander mounts I added the gyro to my bike.

Hard to see here, but I can take a close up of the Gyro/Hatta headset setup, but I've no problem with clearance. I did on the GT with the Epoch hedset but I managed to find the Gyro friendy version of the Epoch headset on that build.

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80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-07 11:43am

tfi_friday wrote:
andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
psychoduddycycles wrote:
Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's
---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.
What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.

----Someone on the museum told me you couldn't run a gyro with a Hatta MX-10 headset. WOW, both the white Haro Master and green GT you have are awesome. What brand gyro did you use with the Hatta MX-10. Odyssey or SST-Oryg gyro? Or is it another Hatta headset model, maybe a MX-II? I think that was another Hatta model? Have to check my old posts. Or a Hatta MX-100?

tfi_friday · 2012-05-07 12:58pm

andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
tfi_friday wrote:
andrewbmxjnkie wrote:

---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.
What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.
----Someone on the museum told me you couldn't run a gyro with a Hatta MX-10 headset. WOW, both the white Haro Master and green GT you have are awesome. What brand gyro did you use with the Hatta MX-10. Odyssey or SST-Oryg gyro? Or is it another Hatta headset model, maybe a MX-II? I think that was another Hatta model? Have to check my old posts. Or a Hatta MX-100?

I had heard the same, it's a gen 1 Odyssey Gyro and what I believe is an MX-10 headset. I'll take a few better shots of it this evening. It's tight but I guess it's 1-2mm clearance around the gyro bearing race and the upper cup.

tfi_friday · 2012-05-09 1:28am

Not the best picture...

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-11 10:37pm

tfi_friday wrote:
andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
psychoduddycycles wrote:
Early '86 complete Haro's didn't come with a GYRO. The first complete bikes to come with Gyros were mid 86 GT's
---Forgot to mention about the gyro, psychoduddycycles it correct. As that year Haro Master should have come stock with a Hatta MX-10 headset and you can't run a gyro on that headset.
What's the reason for a gyro not working with a Hatta headset? Pretty sure that's the combination on my 86 Master.

sonikk71 wrote:

andrewbmxjnkie wrote:

In a old post you talk about headsets. You say an '85 Haro Master has a Hatta MX-10 headset. How about the '86 Haro Master? Same headset? And what is the difference between the Hatta MX-II and the MX-10. Which is better. Can the Mx-10 be used with a gyro? thanks in advance.

Hi,

I have done a bunch of research on this as I wanted to make sure that was the proper headset. MX10's are really expensive and I didnt want to waste money if that wasnt the correct headset. (I figured I could better spend the money elsewhere. smile ) If you look at the pics in the 85 Haro catalogs it is definitely a Hatta MX10. You can tell by the distinctive rounded upper locknut/cup. On a MX10 the upper cup cover is almost like a rounded reverse cup and hangs down and covers the actual cup. Check this pic here...

http://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/49371

Here is another pic,

http://www.retrospectbmx.com/images/hatta%201a.JPG

On a MXII the upper cover/locknut is a flat plate more like a typical headset

http://martin-bike.com/BikeBuilder/Head … 06ae_1.jpg

An MX10 can not be used with a a gyro but a believe a MXII can. Either one is a great quality headset. If you plan on running a Gyro I would save some bucks and do the MXII. Even though it wont be 100% correct for what the bike came with from the factory no one is going to see it. (as the gyro is in the way) I am building my 85 to be exactly as they came from the factory so I wont be running a gyro.

Don't know if the pics came through. If they didn't I'll try again.

tfi_friday · 2012-05-11 10:42pm

Yep I'm definitely running an mx-10 with a gyro then

80sBmxAddict · 2012-05-11 10:43pm

tfi_friday wrote:
Not the best picture...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aH3YeM4cnOM/T … 752104.JPG

-----Your bike must have a Hatta MXII then. Your Pic does not show cups. Maybe a little lower pic of headset. It's probably a Hatta MXII. Click on those two pics in the post above from sonikk71. The last one, blue headset, is a Hatta MXII.

tfi_friday · 2012-05-11 10:49pm

I'll try and take a better shot today, but it's definitely an MX-10 as the upper cup comes down over the bearings. Everyone just said it wouldn't work, I guess due to the way the Epoch system doesn't work. But no one actually tried it that I spoke to.
But the upper part of the MX-10 isn't so much wider, if at all than the lower bearing cup, see the second pic of the MX-10.

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Mazzzze · 2012-05-11 10:58pm

andrewbmxjnkie wrote:
I believe '86 Masters came with Dia Compe Tech 5 brake levers either 183 or 283.(not sure which number but both are pretty much the same) Those levers on the bike you got look like 128 Tech 6 levers.

Look a little closer at the levers. The left is a tech 5 & the right is a tech 6 locking lever. They are two different levers. One of them was probably broken bitd & replaced. Nice bike

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