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I like to buy s&m standard profile and USA products because people here need jobs bad, and USA products arent any more expensive than foreign products anymore. One sunday wtp and all those companies got their names out and people found of they made nice things their prices went right up to the height of USA products.

Like apocolypse said ( i think i spelled that wrong) people are buying what they wanted years ago

when i was a kid i rode a pile of sh*t 35 pound bike and all the kids around me had standard and s&ms and raved about how nice they were and when I finally turned 16 I got a job and bought a bike with profiles and s&m parts and love the parts like I thought I would. so now its what i stick to! :-)

the warranty departments do rock for some of the over seas companies, no receipt deal is great, but s&m and profile and standard have a lifetime warranty with proof of purchase which is kinda a set back but it makes sense to have the receipt policy. FBM has a crap policy though thats for sure haha!

ggallin wrote:

apocalypse dude wrote:

i dont know how much they get paid or if its a competitive rate for the job they perform.

damn you dont get it?

what? i liek this frm Macneil.
"We proved everyone wrong. We made them better. It was pretty funny seeing the expression on the face of the engineer every time we suggested doing something differently. He kept saying, “You don’t want to do that, it’ll cost more.† We kept saying, “That’s fine, we’ll pay as much as it takes to make it perfect.† He’d never heard that before. All anyone ever asked him to do was make it cheaper. We changed the way a lot of companies made their frames and that pretty much lead to the acceptance of Taiwan frames. If you think about it, the computer you’re working on right not was probably made in Taiwan, and it’s a lot harder making a computer than welding a frame together. To say that a Taiwanese welder can’t weld as good as a Canadian or American to me is straight up racist. Now that we’ve been doing business in Taiwan for several years and have established good relationships over there we’ve now begun doing all of our machining over there too."


this is from wiki.
The Taiwanese government does not have a set minimum wage, but a basic wage in its Labor Standards Law serves the minimum wage function. The basic wage set per month is NT$17,280, effective July 1, 2007.[29]


like i said, i dont know if thats a competitive wage or their cost of living. thats would be the minimum wage which is like 600 US per month,id imagine skilled worker get paid more.

It's not that I don't think the oversees parts aren't any good. But if I can get a US made at least equal quality part, I'm willing to pay 10% more for the US jobs.

If I ever have to replace my Sunday and I don't like anything Sunday is making at the moment (or they changed the way they are doing stuff, then I'm going with a combo FBM and S&M. I know what you mean about prices, but I think that it's worth the money to buy American. That and I would love to build a custom FBM frame, how cool would it be to have a 22" tt on a 20" BMX?

RyanPartridge wrote:

Moshman wrote:

I would love to build a custom FBM frame, how cool would it be to have a 22" tt on a 20" BMX?

My custom 22 went to a new home a few weeks ago.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/fbm/7422

I saw that back when you first started to sell it and I really wanted it except for the fact that the 990's were on the chainstays.

Awesome thread, Faust. Maybe the reason the S&M brand is so successful is the visionary nature of Moeller himself.  This "Dog Bites" column he wrote in 1990 shows the the mindset of a guy who wouldn't let those he most respected stop realization of his vision http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pggDuIKMRJQ/R … sAug90.jpg , and I doubt his mindset has changed at all since then.  Thanks Ryan for the brilliant S&M blog!