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#1 2013-08-31 3:50am

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The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Guys - during my research for the Rise of BMX Freestyle book last year, I spent time with a lot of people who were involved in the early BMX Industry, but who are off radar to the collecting community. I also made some observations about the '85 Bike ranges which may be of interest to those who are inquisitive like me.

Firstly - It would appear that the first full production run of the 85's began in around March of 1985. I do not recall seeing any pre March serials unless on the bikes that were given to pro riders (more on that in a moment). This odd delay, and the delay of the bikes landing from the frame manufacturer Anlen (not to be confused by the sister company that produced parts called Anlun) was largely due to factory capacity, trade inventory and prototyping issues. The 1984 Sport, Master and FST ranges went into production as early as June of 1984 as complete bikes in a box (Torker were still manufacturing frames also in the US until November when they went pop). The FST was conceived as late as October of 1984, and along with the 84 Sports and Masters ( we refer to these as third Generation 1984) they were the first of their kind being produced as complete bikes for Haro. The inventory bottleneck wasn't in the Haro warehouse, as demand outstripped supply by some distance, but the shipping time from Taiwan created a long wait for Bike dealers and a sell through period was noted by Haro to ensure that dealers didnt lose margin by offering out of date models.

In January of 1985, a small selection of prototype 1985 models arrived in the US. There was a Blue Sport (given to Ron Wilkerson), a Green Master (given to Dave Nourie) and a Chrome Sport (given to Brian Blyther). The Red 85 FST was created using a Torker made 1984 Haro sport frame as seen in the "Alone at the Top" advert shot at Pipeline. This example was likely painted in the US.

Some pics to illustrate... See the gusset behind the Bottom bracket on the Red FST and the thin coaster anchor.That's a US Made Sport basically.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/85aloneatthetop_zps76c24a88.jpg

Notice no cable guides on either the Master or Sport in the advert....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/greenwithenvy85_zpsdc94ebca.jpg

No cable guides on Ron's Venice Beach Bike (Shameless plug of the book) - He has cable Ties
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/get-attachment-3-2_zps7c30f7d9.jpg

And on Dave's early 85 Master - Cable ties again

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/1980s_advertising_haro_ad_zps3201d9f5.jpg

This the chrome Sport that a friend of mine owns, and this is Brian riding the Sport in early 85 at the UK at the Kellogg's freestyle event. Again, no cable guides.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/311_zps9deba1cb.jpg

I will find some pictures of this particular bike, as the Serial Number is stamped at an angle in the non drive side dropout (the incorrect side) and the frame has some odd texturing on the rear chain stays unlike any others I have seen.

The Pre May 1985 Master vs the Post May 1985 Master

Example 1. Most of these are stamped 8503 or 8504. Notice how tight the down tube is up against the twin top tubes. Almost no space. The gusset is also quite deep.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/photo27_zps2cddc043.jpg

Anything beyond April has a shallower gusset and some clearance between the twin top tubes and the down tube...
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/DOMPHIPPSIO/photo26_zps9beb382b.jpg

The second example shows that after April, Anlen stopped manufacturing individual tube sets and gussets for the 85 Master. The clearance seen in the second picture (in comparison to the first picture) is evident because this is a 1985 Sport down tube and gusset. The sport had a thicker tube meeting the head tube, so it required a shallower gusset and more clearance between the top tube and the down tube.

The other clear difference between the pre April '85 Masters and those produced beyond that date is the lack of knurling on the rear chain stays.

The 86 range. So with the delay in bringing the 85 bike range to market - The first 85 Models didn't reach dealers until late May/early June of '85 -  Haro weren't going to allow that happen again and were driven by enormous levels of demand. This accounts for the quantity of Masters that were painted and marketed as 86 Models. These examples (serailed 8510, 8511 or 8512) were effectively produced using 85 Tube sets and forks. This also accounts for the higher fork peg holes.

I have been sitting on that information for a while and had to get it off my chest cool Enjpy.

I guess all that needs to happen now is for you all to look at your bikes and serials and post up some examples so we can find out if there are any other evident differences.

Thanks
Dom

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#2 2013-08-31 4:15am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

This was a Sport which I recently sold.  It had "8512" as the S/N.  I'm not a Haro expert, so I don't know much.  I did always wonder why they had 3 models which were so similar?  I guess they really had enough sales to permit splitting the line:

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/86%20Haro%20Sport/DSCI1388_zpsab96114b.jpg
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/troynlori/86%20Haro%20Sport/DSCI1390_zpsc8976f30.jpg


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#3 2013-08-31 4:57am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

That's a perfect example of a 86 Sport (made in late 85) with high fork peg inserts and the shallower gusset. There will be a shiny coat of chrome under that paint.

The three bike line up was intended to appeal to flatland riders (Master with 18.5" twin top tubes), vert riders - the Sport, slacker head angle, 19.5 Top tube , and the FST (18.5" Top tube an slack head angle) was aimed at the all rounders and entry level market kids who wouldn't justify, or couldn't afford a Master or Sport.

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#4 2013-08-31 5:02am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Thank you....didn't realize the different geometry...


Hutch Fun Facts: All main line Hutch's with digits only S/N (no letters or baseballs) on the rear drop outs were US made and had their dropouts stamped between late '83 and '86.  Obviously the frame manufacture would occur slightly after that, even if they just threw 'em in a bucket randomly.  There is an obvious date code in that the first 2 digits seem to be the month and the 3rd digit is pretty obviously the last digit of the year running from '83-'86.

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#5 2013-08-31 5:03am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

This is a great thread and some awesome information, Dom, thanks!  I'll take a look at my early '86 (8511xxxx) Master and post close ups of anything noteworthy.

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#6 2013-08-31 10:31am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

I love the small tech decals!!!!!
Thanx Dom!!!!big_smile


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#7 2013-09-01 5:03pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Cool info:D


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#8 2013-09-01 6:56pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

DOMPHIPPSIO ..u should appear more often
this threads are perfect to get info about details


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#9 2013-09-02 3:36am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

MEFISTO wrote:

DOMPHIPPSIO ..u should appear more often
this threads are perfect to get info about details

Thanks man. Ill try and post more as I find time.

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#10 2013-09-02 3:11pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Agree with mefisto, enjoyed the info. Great stuff.

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#11 2013-09-04 12:55pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Great info Dom smile

Thanks for sharing!


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Laurent


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#12 2013-09-04 2:14pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Good info Dom.. Thanks.

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#13 2013-09-06 10:03am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Very cool. Subscribed for sure. big_smile

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#14 2013-12-14 11:43am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

My MARCH 85 Master no knurling on the chainstays and the cable guides are on the side of the top tubes not under.........wink

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m520/savic666/P1060010.jpg

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#15 2014-03-30 6:11am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Oh....:drool:
So subscribing to this.
A lot of good info here.  Can't wait to see more to come.
Maybe the info with the differences in year/model forks can be merged, also, no?
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#16 2014-03-30 6:49am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Very cool thread..Thanks Dom.


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#17 2014-05-20 3:30pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

My 85 Master starts with 8503 has knurling on the dropouts and has the rear brake cable guides on the sides.... hmm


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#18 2014-08-11 10:18am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Great info.  I have a Master f/f serial #85099XXX.  It was refinished when I bought it, would this be an 85 or 86?


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#19 2014-08-11 11:32pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

I would say and 85 .................big_smile


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#20 2014-08-13 5:01pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

I agree, i would say 85

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#21 2014-08-15 10:54am

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Thank you Dom and Raven.


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#22 2014-10-28 4:19pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Here's a couple of differences i have noticed between two 86 Masters:

The Master with an 8511 serial number has the high fork stander holes, as discussed earlier, however it only has the rear quarter chromed, not the complete frame.  Is this common?

I also noticed that under the rear standers, there are two small holes (one on each side)in the ends of the chainstay tubes, where they meet the platforms.

In comparison to the Master with an 8512 serial number, which has a fully chromed frame, lower fork stander holes, and the small holes in the ends of the chainstay tubes are in the welded on end cap, rather than the tube itself:

8511 serial numbered Master:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114/lowback/IMG_1494_zpsa46d1286.jpg

Scratch reveals no chrome:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114/lowback/IMG_1517_zps025af078.jpg

Holes in tubes:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114/lowback/IMG_1518_zps6d890906.jpg

8512 serial numbered Master:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114/lowback/manchester2014014_zpsa231e76d.jpg

Holes in tubes:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114/lowback/manchester2014027_zpsb8601d89.jpg

Even though both are late 85 serial numbers, and only about a month apart, why are the forks/chroming different?

The 8512 serial numbered Master is almost NOS looking, and i have a choice of the two (the 8511 is a bit scruffier)..What one would be the best to keep/go for?

Hope someone can shed some light on the above, and advise me accordingly!cool

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#23 2014-10-28 4:42pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

laidback wrote:

Here's a couple of differences i have noticed between two 86 Masters:

The Master with an 8511 serial number has the high fork stander holes, as discussed earlier, however it only has the rear quarter chromed, not the complete frame.  Is this common?

I also noticed that under the rear standers, there are two small holes (one on each side)in the ends of the chainstay tubes, where they meet the platforms.

In comparison to the Master with an 8512 serial number, which has a fully chromed frame, lower fork stander holes, and the small holes in the ends of the chainstay tubes are in the welded on end cap, rather than the tube itself:

8511 serial numbered Master:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114 … 6d1286.jpg

Scratch reveals no chrome:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114 … 5af078.jpg

Holes in tubes:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114 … 890906.jpg

8512 serial numbered Master:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114 … 31e76d.jpg

Holes in tubes:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o114 … 601d89.jpg

Even though both are late 85 serial numbers, and only about a month apart, why are the forks/chroming different?

The 8512 serial numbered Master is almost NOS looking, and i have a choice of the two (the 8511 is a bit scruffier)..What one would be the best to keep/go for?

Hope someone can shed some light on the above, and advise me accordingly!cool

I also have an 11/85 serial master, w/ only the rear triangle being chrome plated. Bet u this was done for durability of the paint.
I redid(& put back to orig. color), mine in white, which is listed under my bikes:D


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#24 2014-10-28 6:00pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

THANX FOR THE INFO!!!

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#25 2014-10-28 6:17pm

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Re: The ultimate guide to the 1985 Haro Sport/ Master and FST thread.

Marked for Knowledge- big_smile Working on Major score of 7 84/85 Haros - great info... cool


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