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#101 2013-06-05 4:03pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

A layback post will not change the bikes geometry.  If you like to sit down and pedal to do wheelies, a layback will make it easier.  Manuals or whatever they were called back then came around in the 80's, standing on the pedals and coasting wheelies.

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#102 2013-06-05 4:07pm

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I have a layback in my avatar photo.  I think we nearly all had them during the late 80's, some looked great with just the right bend and shape, sst or gt/robinson ones spring to mind.

freestyle you sort of had to have them to be able to spin the bars around, during that era the seat was high to be able to do some flatland tricks holdin gthe seat nose and bars togehter, sone of the gliding foward rolling tricks etc.  forgot the names.

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#103 2013-06-05 4:08pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

I'm pretty laid back


Please just give me one second...I am in the middle of railroading your thread

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#104 2013-06-05 4:19pm

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I'M NOT


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#105 2013-06-05 4:21pm

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Why are you yelling?


Please just give me one second...I am in the middle of railroading your thread

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#106 2013-06-05 4:28pm

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This thread is the first time in my life I've ever heard of someone referencing the handling change of seat position in a BMX bike. If it were a road or mountain bike where you spend large amounts of time sitting, I could understand, but who is actually sitting on a 20 inch bike long enough that it effects handling?? Who is racing a BMX bike while sitting on the seat? If you look at the new school trends of slammed seat posts, which have also made their way into racing, you can see that the seat is almost completely irrelevant and could be completely removed...so what part of seating position matters except for sitting down and cruising?

Anyway, I grew up with them, because it seemed like BITD nobody made a top tube long enough for me to be able to sit down and not hit my knees. I didn't have an option to "buy a cruiser", it was just what we had and we never even thought of questioning it because it worked. I remember back when I first retired my Schwinn Predator, it was mostly because the frame was too short and even with a laid back post it was too short. I moved on to a Performer with a laid back and never went back to a straight post until I got my Fit cruiser, which has something like a 21 inch top tube and enough seat tube angle that it's plenty roomy. I guess if you have the right frame it wouldn't matter, but for the longest time nobody made a frame with the right geometry for us 6 foot tall guys.

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#107 2013-06-05 4:30pm

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Here's a thought...before there were laid back posts, there were banana seats, which effectively did the exact same thing...they moved the seating position back. When banana seats went out of style, the size/shape of frames didn't really change very much to compensate, and so laid back posts essentially do what banana seats did for seating position.

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#108 2013-06-05 4:57pm

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Get out of here with your logic...


Please just give me one second...I am in the middle of railroading your thread

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#109 2013-06-05 4:57pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

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And  just my opinion, I would never run one on an aluminum frame. Too easy to crack the seat post mast.

I think if one weighs anything close to 200 lbs, I would have to agree with you.  Depends on riding style.  I personally am not too concerned; no where close to 200, and I don't sit much while my bike is moving - even coasting, I'm usually up with one knee on my stempad.  Besides, do you know how hard it is to find a 13/16" layback?  It's practically a piece of jewelery for my ride big_smile


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#110 2013-06-05 4:59pm

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That's it! I'm going to throw a braced lay back on my bike and ride it. I'll report back later.


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#111 2013-06-05 5:24pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

endo wrote:

This thread is the first time in my life I've ever heard of someone referencing the handling change of seat position in a BMX bike. If it were a road or mountain bike where you spend large amounts of time sitting, I could understand, but who is actually sitting on a 20 inch bike long enough that it effects handling?? Who is racing a BMX bike while sitting on the seat? If you look at the new school trends of slammed seat posts, which have also made their way into racing, you can see that the seat is almost completely irrelevant and could be completely removed...so what part of seating position matters except for sitting down and cruising?

Anyway, I grew up with them, because it seemed like BITD nobody made a top tube long enough for me to be able to sit down and not hit my knees. I didn't have an option to "buy a cruiser", it was just what we had and we never even thought of questioning it because it worked. I remember back when I first retired my Schwinn Predator, it was mostly because the frame was too short and even with a laid back post it was too short. I moved on to a Performer with a laid back and never went back to a straight post until I got my Fit cruiser, which has something like a 21 inch top tube and enough seat tube angle that it's plenty roomy. I guess if you have the right frame it wouldn't matter, but for the longest time nobody made a frame with the right geometry for us 6 foot tall guys.

You are probably 30 or younger. When I was racing, we had downhill tracks, by mid track you no longer could pedal. As you where rolling too fast. I raced from around 76 thru 84. By the 80's, downhill tracks where gone. But, for conversation  sake, that was what I meant, regarding sitting down, and racing. All you young whipper snappers, have these safe, flat tracks,  and you dont see the speed we old times did BITD.........


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#112 2013-06-05 5:28pm

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This is getting good.


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#113 2013-06-05 5:31pm

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could it get any more backwards?

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#114 2013-06-05 6:09pm

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I see kids riding to school in the morning with 50lb. backpacks on their backs and their seats slammed and just laugh as they switch resting between legs as they pedal.  They look miserable.  Not that it has anything to do with race handling, this thread just made me think of it. 

There isn't one right answer.  It all depends on purpose and use of the rider, and the size and shape of the bike.  Add all that up and you do what works for you.  I have a laid back post on a newschool bike with a 20.5 tt because I am tall and have gorilla arms.  I am 205lbs. and my seat mast is the last thing I am worried about breaking. I raise and lower that post depending on what I am doing with the bike.   When some people get on my bike they look like midgets, when I get on their bike I look like a giant...that's why it's my bike.  I have two kids in my bike program who NEED a laid back post, but don't want them because it's not cool.  Then I show them up at 40 yrs old and they stop laughing.  Then we just ride...


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#115 2013-06-05 6:31pm

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This oughtta stop this madness...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o731/RidgelineAlaska/100_6299_copy0_blowup_zps19262be2.jpg

Now let's ride...


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#116 2013-06-05 6:35pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

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I see kids riding to school in the morning with 50lb. backpacks on their backs and their seats slammed and just laugh as they switch resting between legs as they pedal.  They look miserable.  Not that it has anything to do with race handling, this thread just made me think of it.

Most doctors and physical therapists recommend that kids carry no more than 10% to 15% of their body weight in their packs.


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#117 2013-06-05 6:43pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

itsdug wrote:

ridgeline wrote:

I see kids riding to school in the morning with 50lb. backpacks on their backs and their seats slammed and just laugh as they switch resting between legs as they pedal.  They look miserable.  Not that it has anything to do with race handling, this thread just made me think of it.

Most doctors and physical therapists recommend that kids carry no more than 10% to 15% of their body weight in their packs.

Have you seen some of these kids hmm looks like they can add some to reach that 10% to 15% lol
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#118 2013-06-05 6:46pm

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I was guestimating the weight.  They just look miserable, and with a full pack and a slammed seat with a built in angle that only a mother could love, there's no where to run.


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#119 2013-06-05 6:46pm

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I had a lay forward post once. Super rare. Worth a lot of money if you can find them.


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#120 2013-06-05 6:47pm

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Consult your doctor to see if a laid back seatpost is right for you...lol


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#121 2013-06-05 6:49pm

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I ran a lay forward with the stem facing backwards/bars forward, folks wouldn't buy me a bike that fit bitd.  Was tight!

I had to grow into it.

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#122 2013-06-05 6:59pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

ELF_24 wrote:

JS-44SDS wrote:

ELF_24 wrote:

They change the handling drastically, move the center of gravity too far to the rear. I hate them myself. If your bike is too small, buy a cruiser...

Because you pedal the hardest while sitting down?  If you use one from day 1 you wouldn't know the difference.

COOL BRO, ITS GOOD YOU GOT YOUR OWN OPINION. Just like I do. Which does not concur with your thoughts. 
Thats why we are discussing the subject, to hear different opinions. Your thoughts are as important as mine.
Then, we let them make a decision.

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#123 2013-06-05 7:01pm

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This oughtta stop this madness...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o73 … 262be2.jpg

Now let's ride...

I would be confused as to whether I would ride wheelies too much or go over the handlebars-it's a coin flip.


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#124 2013-06-05 7:59pm

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if I turn my lay back post around will it make me endo? tongue

I like a lay back because I also like wide bars but I don't like getting those wide bars in the balls when doing Lady bar spins


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#125 2013-06-05 8:34pm

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Re: Laid back seat posts. Whats the issue.

ridgeline wrote:

I see kids riding to school in the morning with 50lb. backpacks on their backs and their seats slammed and just laugh as they switch resting between legs as they pedal.  They look miserable.  Not that it has anything to do with race handling, this thread just made me think of it. 

There isn't one right answer.  It all depends on purpose and use of the rider, and the size and shape of the bike.  Add all that up and you do what works for you.  I have a laid back post on a newschool bike with a 20.5 tt because I am tall and have gorilla arms.  I am 205lbs. and my seat mast is the last thing I am worried about breaking. I raise and lower that post depending on what I am doing with the bike.   When some people get on my bike they look like midgets, when I get on their bike I look like a giant...that's why it's my bike.  I have two kids in my bike program who NEED a laid back post, but don't want them because it's not cool.  Then I show them up at 40 yrs old and they stop laughing.  Then we just ride...

I think you nailed it with there is not just one answer. That's what I have been saying for 5 pages. Everyone is so black and white about what is right or wrong. Nobody is wrong, says it all...


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