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#1 2013-02-01 9:40am

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lacing wheelset

i came from my lbs today. i have to finish my build in having these wheels laced, i was quoted at a place a town over from me at $40.00 per
wheel. i provided the hardware, hubs spoke. rim. my lbs was like $ 45.00 but they wanted $1.25 for DB spokes. i stated i would provided my own spoke but they would not lace the wheel with a " cheap" spoke they asked how much the spokes are i stated .45 cents they are 40 cents spaim

anyway the refused to lace if i did not buy their spoke at $1.25 i did not read anything "bad" about spaim. are they cheap
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#2 2013-02-01 9:48am

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I would go to another store... that's ridiculous, they should lace them with whatever new spokes you want.

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#3 2013-02-01 9:50am

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#4 2013-02-01 10:09am

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Lace them yourself. There is a great tutorial here on the site. I've laced a bunch of wheels due to the tutorial.

If the hoops are new, not used, it's even easier since the rims are dead new and have zero bends or anything to cover. And you can true them up between brake pads.


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#5 2013-02-01 10:12am

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If you do lace them up yourself, please remember to tension them, which in my opinion is the most important and most overlooked ingredient of all of this.


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#6 2013-02-01 10:34am

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do it your self plus nothin wrong with those spokes

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#7 2013-02-01 10:54am

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My LBS laces for $20 a wheel.  Only bad part is he forget about them for two weeks sometimes.lol


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#8 2013-02-01 12:11pm

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well, the labor charge is $45.00 per that's $90.00 for just lacing the wheel. ( ouch ) then they insist that the less expensive spoke is lower quality then the spoke they offer at $1.25. 28 hubs 56 spokes, $70.00 for spokes double butter 14-15-14. so far the labor is $160.00 to lace brand new spokes to brand new rims, with a nos front hub, and a used rear hub. with tax and any un - forseen charges that may arise,
im looking at $200.00 to lace nos rims,spoke, & hubs.

maybe if they needed to purchase all the hardware but just to lace the wheel, is this outrageous... $200.00 for lacing wheels.
maybe because the rent on the property is high and its basically highway robbery. since its the only bike shop in town.


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#9 2013-02-01 12:34pm

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well, the labor charge is $45.00 per that's $90.00 for just lacing the wheel. ( ouch ) then they insist that the less expensive spoke is lower quality then the spoke they offer at $1.25. 28 hubs 56 spokes, $70.00 for spokes double butter 14-15-14. so far the labor is $160.00 to lace brand new spokes to brand new rims, with a nos front hub, and a used rear hub. with tax and any un - forseen charges that may arise,
im looking at $200.00 to lace nos rims,spoke, & hubs.

maybe if they needed to purchase all the hardware but just to lace the wheel, is this outrageous... $200.00 for lacing wheels.
maybe because the rent on the property is high and its basically highway robbery. since its the only bike shop in town.

The reason is that they was to sell you their spokes at 300% mark up. Seriously, read the tutorial thread and lace them yourself. It's not that hard. cool

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#10 2013-02-01 12:39pm

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i would need a micrometer, to figure the spoke length, the tension part i don't know about.


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#11 2013-02-01 12:45pm

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Learn to do it yourself. It's really not that hard and it's a fun and rewarding job.


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#12 2013-02-01 12:49pm

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maybe your could be speaking the truth............ i'd need to too view that thread again.
thanks. brian.


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#13 2013-02-01 1:37pm

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Re: lacing wheelset

astroidbeltwalker wrote:

i would need a micrometer, to figure the spoke length, the tension part i don't know about.

You don't need a micrometer. http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/spokelengthcalculator/

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#14 2013-02-02 12:37am

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Yeh give it a shot yourself. It's extremely easy. If unsure about tensioning and truing just lace them and take them to your LBS for truing, should cut half of that ridiculous cost down. When I first got back in to lacing wheels I used a site called sheldonbrown.com. Very easy to follow instructions.

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#15 2013-02-02 8:35am

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i can def see where your lbs is coming from!  you show back up after one ride b/c your junk spokes stretched, stripped, and your looking at them as if they did something wrong.  im sure theyve learned their lesson on  this front. also liability issues. im in business for myself and no way do i install any fixtures that i do not supply-its just not smart business>

cost of doing business is crazy now-a-days and if it takes them twice as long to true a wheel b/c of junk spokes, its not worth it-especially at that quoted price!!

manufacturing processes pretty much blow today and most problems will not arise until after install.

think about it--i think its just smart business on thier part-like i said, im sure theyve been down this road before

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#16 2013-02-02 8:40am

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yeah do it yourself bro. much better and cheaper. I paid the first time 90 bucks. after that i started to do them myself. Although i due take them in for tension n stuff but it's only 15 bucks then. here's the link to how to lace your wheels.
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=47611


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#17 2013-02-02 8:43am

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Re: lacing wheelset

alainmagana wrote:

yeah do it yourself bro. much better and cheaper. I paid the first time 90 bucks. after that i started to do them myself. Although i due take them in for tension n stuff but it's only 15 bucks then. here's the link to how to lace your wheels.
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=47611

+1...Once you learn one wheel the other is EASY!Plus you get to learn how to true it too.wink

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#18 2013-02-02 8:47am

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im on the fence here.... and i work at a shop! the labor charge is way out line! -imo Go somewhere else.....
if you dont have an idea on wheels maybe this isnt for you; however, you can do this with patience. then just have the shop true them. lots of info on here for spoke sizes and such. use the website Johnny posted and get out the measuring device. wink
sapian butted spokes arent cheap. hell- i just bought a box of double butted DT SWISS and they were 65 bux wholesale!!! mad so i feel your pain on price of spokes.


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#19 2013-02-02 9:29am

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Lacing wheels is not as complicated as most people think, especially if the hubs have equal-sized flanges and offsets. I laced my fist set at 15 and have done all of my own wheels, other than stock ones, since then. There are a number of members on this site with wheels that I have built and none have ever failed.

I'm not saying this to brag, but to make the point that it isn't that difficult with the right tutorial and some patience. I'm not an engineer and I don't use tension meters. What I do is take the best advice from as many people as possible and never worry about making mistakes, b/c nearly every mistake can be corrected and used as a learning experience.

As far as spokes go, I've used the Sapiam spokes as well as DTs, and have had just as much success with both of them. Good wheel-building skills and equally distributed tension will get the job done, regardless of the spokes. Unless the structural integrity of the spoke has been compromised or faulty materials were used in the manufacturing of the spokes, you don't need to worry. This sounds like classic up-selling from that shop. Seek another shop or learn to do it yourself.

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#20 2013-02-02 2:55pm

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so how do i measure for spoke length.


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#21 2013-02-02 3:23pm

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if you cant wrap your head around spoke measurement then you should even attempt this lol


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#22 2013-02-02 3:46pm

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astroidbeltwalker wrote:

so how do i measure for spoke length.

There are numerous spoke-length calculators available on the internet. Info you need for using them includes the ERD (Effective Rim Diameter) of the rim, hub measurements, and lacing pattern (RADIAL, 1X, 2X, 3X, 4X). If you aren't sure of the ERD or hub measurements, most manufacturers have them readily available, unless they are old-school hubs and rims. If this is the case, just ask other members what length spokes that they used to lace wheels with the hubs and rims that you are using.

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#23 2013-02-02 3:47pm

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Check out the links posted. I did 3 sets so far thanks to these guys here. It's not hard to do.  I have a old set of forks to true them on.

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#24 2013-02-02 4:09pm

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Re: lacing wheelset

tried these mentioned methods. great advice. im using a uncommon combination of camagnolo record high flange 28h rears 4x

and acs 18 hole high flange front hubs, laced to alumilite ti double wall rims. very uncommon if ever used together at all...

i've looked at these calculators which do not receive any updates i have seen so the acs hubs are not quoted and the alumilite rim is not either

and a 4x pattern in hard to find aswell. it the rim is not a 36 hole then you tutorials are thin if any at all.

again its campagnolo 28h / acs 28h both high flange w alumilite ti rims 4x/2x pattern. if you have a database for these LMK


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#25 2013-02-02 6:19pm

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astroidbeltwalker wrote:

tried these mentioned methods. great advice. im using a uncommon combination of camagnolo record high flange 28h rears 4x

and acs 18 hole high flange front hubs, laced to alumilite ti double wall rims. very uncommon if ever used together at all...

i've looked at these calculators which do not receive any updates i have seen so the acs hubs are not quoted and the alumilite rim is not either

and a 4x pattern in hard to find aswell. it the rim is not a 36 hole then you tutorials are thin if any at all.

again its campagnolo 28h / acs 28h both high flange w alumilite ti rims 4x/2x pattern. if you have a database for these LMK

http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

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