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#1 2013-01-31 7:16pm

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The most immitated and copied parts and or features

This came to my mind, as I realize as a Redline fan how many of their innovations were copied.   But they are not the only ones, Mongoose, and others have been infringed upon to death.   Share your pics of some of the perpetrators.


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#2 2013-02-01 11:36am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Redline tubular forks:
The standard for all BMX bikes since their inception

Redline Flight cranks:
Copied by:
Peregrine, Profile, Haro, to name a few

Forklifter stem
Copied by:
Mongoose, and just about every dept store brand

Forklifter bars
Copied by:
Everyone, even till this day, and Redline does not even make them anymore

Redline gusset
Copied by:
General and others

Mongoose:
Forks, gusset, chain stays
Copied by:
So many dept store brands it nuts.

Shimano DX pedals:
Everyone that has manufactured BMX components  even the big brands has copied this pedal, its iconic.


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#3 2013-02-01 11:48am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Haro Handle, My favorite brake lever of all time. I believe that shape was bob's design. Copied by Dia compe and other knock of brands.


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#4 2013-02-01 11:52am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Bottema forks - copied by GT for the Performer


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#5 2013-02-01 11:54am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

GT also had a Fakelifter stem, used it on their scooters just like Mongoose did.

ACS rotor - copied by everyone in the 80s except SR and Odyssey

Odyssey Gyro - copied by everyone and their mother


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#6 2013-02-01 11:55am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Oh wait, what about Tioga Comp III tires?


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#7 2013-02-01 11:56am

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

And profile didn't copy Redline cranks...They improved them...lol


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#8 2013-02-01 12:05pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Redline totally copped the Skyway Spinmaster, but I don't know if they ever released their version or not. Man, I could do this all day.... good thing I'm at work =]


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#9 2013-02-01 12:07pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

The first Hutch frames were copied from Robinson.

Haro accused GT of ripping off their bashguard designs, or vice versa. One of them debuted at a trade show, the next day the other brought one of their frames with a bashguard on it.

Everyone ripped off Haro who ripped off Torker who ripped off RRS with the whole twin top tube BMX bike thing.


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#10 2013-02-01 12:07pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Huryupanbuy wrote:

And profile didn't copy Redline cranks...They improved them...lol

Well today specs.
Profile
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/volvokids60r/f40d54e631a5850f9e666a049f3f48b0_zpsc32e772c.jpg

Redline
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/volvokids60r/018ae10a1096847ded5c252c73f0d638_zps80ac8799.jpg

Ummm they look nothing alike.
Idk about bitd. But every thing is a reo of everything.
If not we'd only have one bike co. Lol


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#11 2013-02-01 12:14pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

MCS front load stem copied by GT, Redline, S&M and tons of others.

I think Hutch put centerpull brakes on a BMX bike first, although not in production, and everyone ran to emulate it. Can anyone confirm this?

Hutch copied off Hutch when it came time to do new cranks, stems, pads, pedals and decals loltongue


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#12 2013-02-01 12:20pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

TheKoolKids wrote:

Huryupanbuy wrote:

And profile didn't copy Redline cranks...They improved them...lol

Well today specs.
Profile
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38 … 2e772c.jpg

Redline
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38 … ac8799.jpg

Ummm they look nothing alike.
Idk about bitd. But every thing is a reo of everything.
If not we'd only have one bike co. Lol

Even the redlines without pinch bolts were different...I believe they had a square spindle. Every set of profile's I've seen had splines...


But I will add this...

Hanebrink triple clamp forks copied by:

Redline, Bombshell, and I think someone else...my memory is a lil rough...but there's another thread for that. lol


Pop tubes, not caps

Would you like a Fat Tire, Big Sprocket, or Short Rear End. Pick two.

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#13 2013-02-01 12:41pm

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Point is Redline introduced the high quality multi-piece crank, previous it was all one piece. 

Redline
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/coastvl/bike%20bits/redline_evolution.jpg

Profile
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z49/coloredtuffs/vintagecranksbk_1000.jpg


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#14 2013-02-01 12:46pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Wow. I always thought Sugino or one of the "non-bike building" companies developed the 3 piece crank for BMX. Learn something new every day smile


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#15 2013-02-01 12:48pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

XJguy wrote:

Point is Redline introduced the high quality multi-piece crank, previous it was all one piece. 

Redline
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/ … lution.jpg

Profile
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z49/ … k_1000.jpg

Actually I believe you're wrong again....Bullseye brought out the 2-piece design in 1974...Put into production 1975/76...


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#16 2013-02-01 12:57pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

XJguy wrote:

Point is Redline introduced the high quality multi-piece crank, previous it was all one piece. 

Redline
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/ … lution.jpg

Profile
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z49/ … k_1000.jpg

Redline did not introduce 3 piece cranks. Redline 400s (which predate the 401) were made
by Sugino.


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#17 2013-02-01 1:02pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Redline introduced 990 brakes mounted to the bottom of the seat stay on their 1988 Redline RL-20II. This design feature is copied on nearly every single BMX freestyle/street/park bike today. Therefore, the Redline RL-20II is the greatest bike every designed, and everything else is just a poor imitation.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/tobin944/1988%20RL20-II/100_0908.jpg

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#18 2013-02-01 1:08pm

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i think i remember reading an article a little bit ago that s&m made the first integrated headset? true? if so, thats one of the top ones.

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#19 2013-02-01 1:10pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

changachump wrote:

XJguy wrote:

Point is Redline introduced the high quality multi-piece crank, previous it was all one piece. 

Redline
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/ … lution.jpg

Profile
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z49/ … k_1000.jpg

Redline did not introduce 3 piece cranks. Redline 400s (which predate the 401) were made
by Sugino.

Im not a museum curator, but I am pretty sure the cranks were made by Sugino for Redline, in other words Redline designed it.


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#20 2013-02-01 1:11pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

tobin wrote:

Redline introduced 990 brakes mounted to the bottom of the seat stay on their 1988 Redline RL-20II. This design feature is copied on nearly every single BMX freestyle/street/park bike today. Therefore, the Redline RL-20II is the greatest bike every designed, and everything else is just a poor imitation.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261 … 0_0908.jpg

But the RL20-II itslef is a rip off of the Haro Master....


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#21 2013-02-01 1:19pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

Jon1971 wrote:

tobin wrote:

Redline introduced 990 brakes mounted to the bottom of the seat stay on their 1988 Redline RL-20II. This design feature is copied on nearly every single BMX freestyle/street/park bike today. Therefore, the Redline RL-20II is the greatest bike every designed, and everything else is just a poor imitation.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261 … 0_0908.jpg

But the RL20-II itslef is a rip off of the Haro Master....

I wouldn't say that, its very different in every way with exception to both having top tubes but even there they are very different.

Twin top tubes, I credit Torker for....but there were bikes predating Torker that had them as well, but they were not BMX.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/gowjobs/projects/Bl40zFQWkKGrHgoOKjwEjlLmV5FdBLdeiei.jpg


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#22 2013-02-01 1:20pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

XJguy wrote:

Jon1971 wrote:

tobin wrote:

Redline introduced 990 brakes mounted to the bottom of the seat stay on their 1988 Redline RL-20II. This design feature is copied on nearly every single BMX freestyle/street/park bike today. Therefore, the Redline RL-20II is the greatest bike every designed, and everything else is just a poor imitation.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261 … 0_0908.jpg

But the RL20-II itslef is a rip off of the Haro Master....

I wouldn't say that, its very different in every way with exception to both having top tubes but even there they are very different.

Twin top tubes, I credit Torker for....but there were bikes predating Torker that had them as well, but they were not BMX.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/g … Ldeiei.jpg

I just realized something, those tubes wrap around the headtube!!!


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#23 2013-02-01 1:41pm

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Re: The most immitated and copied parts and or features

XJguy wrote:

Forklifter bars
Copied by:
Everyone, even till this day, and Redline does not even make them anymore

I am pretty sure MCS and Vector had Forklifter looking bars before Redline. Only major difference would be the welded on number plate tabs by Redline.

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#24 2013-02-01 1:52pm

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Who pioneered the threadless fork/stem? That was S&M right?

That was a pretty major move forward.


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#25 2013-02-01 2:06pm

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Who pioneered the threadless fork/stem? That was S&M right?

That was a pretty major move forward.

I feel like Hoffman had some say in that too. If I remember they made a threadless 1"


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