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#1 2013-01-28 6:50am

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The brakeless (toothless) revolution

When I stopped riding regularly (around 90) there were already several people that were riding brakeless believe it or not.   The argument was that it forced them to be smoother doing tricks.   I thought back then, and still do, that this was asinine, watching them jam their feet into the wheel shredding their Vans to stop and getting into situations that would otherwise be avoidable had they had brakes.    I at times have been forced to ride with no brakes, (something broke while out) and it was kinda terrifying, not being able to stop when so many things come in your way; cars, people, children, makes for a very dangerous, irresponsible, situation that can lead to injury or death of yourself and others.   Having had many serious bike accidents I cannot fathom the notion of riding around electively with no brakes.   In a closed off, controlled environment okay maybe, but that goes against the whole "I'm a street badass" mentality....cant be street if you're not in the street.

But I digress.   

What is the deal with brakeless, is it a fad?   Is it just for looks?   Is it for weight (which is comical)?  Has it helped anyone other than the maker's of Vans and dentists?


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#2 2013-01-28 7:06am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

It's to piss you off.

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#3 2013-01-28 7:08am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Unreal this is the first time this has ever been brought up!!!!!!


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#4 2013-01-28 7:11am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

It's not for everyone.It is a great way once you've learned the trick with brakes(whiplashes) to start doing them without to understand how the trick is without brakes.Once you start doing 3-4 whiplashes (brakeless) 7-10 with brakes becomes the norm....just don't try that many without brakes!

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#5 2013-01-28 7:15am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

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#6 2013-01-28 7:29am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

I have a grand idea.

Instead of starting thread after thread about why riders do what they do today, go out and ride and ask them yourself.

Who knows, you might learn something about BMX after 1990.

Better yet, you might enjoy yourself, too.

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#7 2013-01-28 7:31am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

It looks cleaner, makes the bike a much more simple machine maintenance-wise, and brakes are relatively useless riding street or park on a 20".
You're looking at this as though everyone without brakes woke up and decided to join some "fad". Maybe a couple 12 year old kids did that, but what you should realize is that most of the people riding brakeless realized they weren't using their brakes in the first place. It's an archaic concept that stems clear back to wanting bicycles that resemble motorcycles.
Now maybe you need brakes because you are constantly careening out into moving cars and piles of unsuspecting children or ripping some totally cool 80's tricks. But clearly the majority of the modern 20" riders decided brakes are dumb as shit and you are just as much in control without them as you ever were with them.

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#8 2013-01-28 7:32am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Capt. Nemo wrote:

I have a grand idea.

Instead of starting thread after thread about why riders do what they do today, go out and ride and ask them yourself.

Who knows, you might learn something about BMX after 1990.

Better yet, you might enjoy yourself, too.

cool

This is a discussion forum, genius. Ideas get brought up over and over.

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#9 2013-01-28 7:41am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Punjab wrote:

Capt. Nemo wrote:

I have a grand idea.

Instead of starting thread after thread about why riders do what they do today, go out and ride and ask them yourself.

Who knows, you might learn something about BMX after 1990.

Better yet, you might enjoy yourself, too.

cool

This is a discussion forum, genius. Ideas get brought up over and over.

+1 - lollollollollol


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#10 2013-01-28 8:00am

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teamrandr wrote:

Unreal this is the first time this has ever been brought up!!!!!!

today you mean lol


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#11 2013-01-28 8:09am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Kids today are weak. Real men drive cars with no brakes:D

Seriously though, F that. I like front and back brakes. Sure they require maintenance but I see no other downfall other than that. If they get in the way just strap them down, if its a weight issue than lift some weights because brakes weigh like a pound:P

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#12 2013-01-28 8:18am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

I rode flatland -with brakes- from the mid 80's to the mid 90s, then again a couple of years before quitting in 2000.

I resumed riding around 2009. I managed to recover most of my tricks.

A few months ago my front brake broke, and I tried riding like that. Some things became more difficult, and more dangerous, too. But I kept trying. Sometimes, I trained with brakes before going brakeless again. When I managed to pull my tricks brakeless, they were centrainly smoother, and I had a greater sense of achievement. There are a few things still out of my reach, but I dont want to go back to front brakes anymore. I feel I have gained more skills.

HOWEVER, I never took my back brake off. I still have to ride to my spots, and the street is simply too full of dangers not related to your riding skills. I think its stupid to increase the chances of injury for nothing. Also, I dont see the point of wasting you tires and shoes when you can let the brake pads do the job.

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#13 2013-01-28 8:20am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Punjab wrote:

Capt. Nemo wrote:

I have a grand idea.

Instead of starting thread after thread about why riders do what they do today, go out and ride and ask them yourself.

Who knows, you might learn something about BMX after 1990.

Better yet, you might enjoy yourself, too.

cool

This is a discussion forum, genius. Ideas get brought up over and over.

Except every topic this guy starts questions what's happening in modern day BMX. It gets a little old.

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#14 2013-01-28 8:25am

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I thought it seemed really limiting when I first saw some of the brakeless pioneers riding back in 1996 or so.  Over the years people have adapted just about everything to brakeless riding.  Most lip tricks can be done with pedal pressure.  For vert riding, people say you can slow down from just landing lower on the transition and unpumping, For street riding, which mostly revolves around pedaling fast, correctly judging distances/height of gaps/obstacles, etc. and being able to hop consistently over 40" and confidently land on your pegs most of the time, you don't really need brakes at all.   Even the featheriest brakiest trick of all, the nose wheelie, is being done at insane lengths with no brakes at all now. For flat, apart from a few specific things, most modern tricks can translate to brakeless without any problems. 
Chase Hawk has never run brakes and can flow airs as good as Blyther. 

I keep brakes on my bikes for three reasons:  1.)decades - you can do them brakeless but they're a totally different trick that way, super scary and you'll slam way, way hard learning them.  It was also hard on my wrists landing them brakeless on 130 psi tires.  2.) multiple fire hydrants - you can do them brakeless, but the method changes and it doesn't feel quite the same to me.  3.) habit and being able to stop


The biggest problem I see with brakeless riding is nitwit kids crashing into each other in concrete parks (or skaters, getting us kicked out of parks for being unsafe) and being crashed into cars on street because they can't slow down.

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#15 2013-01-28 8:31am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Punjab wrote:

But clearly the majority of the modern 20" riders decided brakes are dumb as shit and you are just as much in control without them as you ever were with them.

Maybe in your limited riding environments brakes are dumb as shit, but I would bet that I could take you on a ride that you would not be able to keep control of unless you had brakes.


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#16 2013-01-28 8:33am

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Jesus h Munson. Another week of this


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#17 2013-01-28 8:43am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

I'm a brake less rider myself. I always been only cuz as a kid I could never get my brakes dialed just rite nor could I afford to get them done and buying a better brake kit was definitely outta the question. It taught me full control but that's just me. I think a lot of the new generation does it cuz it looks cool and all the pros do it,lol


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#18 2013-01-28 9:32am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

D1976 wrote:

I keep brakes on my bikes for three reasons:  1.)decades - you can do them brakeless but they're a totally different trick that way, super scary and you'll slam way, way hard learning them.  It was also hard on my wrists landing them brakeless on 130 psi tires.  2.) multiple fire hydrants - you can do them brakeless, but the method changes and it doesn't feel quite the same to me.  3.) habit and being able to stop

1. well said. I can bust decades NP. But I dont think I could do a riding/brakeless decade. I'd anticipate a concussion, lol.
2. fire hydrants; I dont use brakes for them anyway, I think they'd throw me off balance if I used brakes.
3. being able to stop is nice smile


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#19 2013-01-28 9:33am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Check out Chad Johnston riding brake less and pegless . This should change your mine.

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#20 2013-01-28 9:46am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Even if you are a pro, the street is full of dangers not related to your riding skills.

Also, I dont see the point of wasting you tires and shoes when you can let the brake pads do the job.

Brakeless tricks are great, but riding completely without them is stupid, unless you are in totally in control of your environment. That might be the case, sometimes...

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#21 2013-01-28 9:48am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

Watching Elvis sing doesn't make you a better singer....just makes you look like a D-bag.You have learn how to crawl  before you walk.It is a riding style like so many other different kinds of riding.It's a choice you need to make wisely...because teeth and ER visit's are ALOT more costly than a set of brakes.If you can't do it with brakes,don't try it without!

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#22 2013-01-28 9:59am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

chillywilly263 wrote:

Punjab wrote:

Capt. Nemo wrote:

I have a grand idea.

Instead of starting thread after thread about why riders do what they do today, go out and ride and ask them yourself.

Who knows, you might learn something about BMX after 1990.

Better yet, you might enjoy yourself, too.

cool

This is a discussion forum, genius. Ideas get brought up over and over.

Except every topic this guy starts questions what's happening in modern day BMX. It gets a little old.

+10 that seat post to high


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#23 2013-01-28 11:10am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

dirtbikes wrote:

chillywilly263 wrote:

Punjab wrote:


This is a discussion forum, genius. Ideas get brought up over and over.

Except every topic this guy starts questions what's happening in modern day BMX. It gets a little old.

+10 that seat post to high

I agree.

The topic of this thread should be changed to " why does xjguy ride with his seatpost so high ".

I never understood why people rode with their seatposts so high,what purpose does it serve? I think xjguy should tell all curious minds due to his seatposts being skyjacked high on his bikes.


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#24 2013-01-28 11:15am

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Re: The brakeless (toothless) revolution

spyker wrote:

dirtbikes wrote:

chillywilly263 wrote:


Except every topic this guy starts questions what's happening in modern day BMX. It gets a little old.

+10 that seat post to high

I agree.

The topic of this thread should be changed to " why does xjguy ride with his seatpost so high ".

I never understood why people rode with their seatposts so high,what purpose does it serve? I think xjguy should tell all curious minds due to his seatposts being skyjacked high on his bikes.

Feel free to start a thread on that........back on topic please.

If the reader does not like the topic he has no obligation to participate or even read it.

There is not one topic that any of us can come up with relating to BMX that has not at some point already been discussed.   That being said new people, new discussions, new threads, without it, then just shut the site down.


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#25 2013-01-28 11:15am

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chillywilly263 wrote:

Except every topic this guy starts questions what's happening in modern day BMX. It gets a little old.


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