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#1 2013-01-25 3:15pm

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Question for the 80's hardcore riders

In reading (sloshing?) through the RL Obsorn thread, a question came to my mind, and I was curious what riders who competed or rode for teams and were a bit more than a standerman think about it.

How do you think your riding and your career would have been effected if Youtube were around in the 80's?

Applies the same to racers and freestylers. What difference do you think it would have made to your riding if you could instantly be able to check out the Top Pros and see what they could really do in full motion instead of waiting a month to see the magazine and stop motion pics?

I am genuinely curious how you think it would have affected you. Go look at youtube and look at some of the old races and flatland runs posted there now and put yourself back in the 80s with what you know you could do then.

I'll wait for a few to chime in before I answer with what I think.


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#2 2013-01-25 3:30pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

In the mid 80's all we had in a small Canadian town was this:

http://www.23mag.com/mags/boo/bmxfs.jpg

That mag was a ragged mess..... smile


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#3 2013-01-25 3:36pm

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I think the internet keeps kids inside so maybe you would have seen a lot more , you would of been sitting on the computer instead of riding.

Another thing is as much balls as I had or thought I had BITD , the stuff kids are doing these days is freakin scary compared to what we were up to.


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#4 2013-01-25 4:02pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

I watched  "That's Incredible"  every single week for like 4 months so that I could watch RL race that horse.   

Back in those days I didn't even have a vcr so I had to record everything to my brain, directly.

Good stuff.


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#5 2013-01-25 4:05pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

brackett wrote:

I think the internet keeps kids inside so maybe you would have seen a lot more , you would of been sitting on the computer instead of riding.

Another thing is as much balls as I had or thought I had BITD , the stuff kids are doing these days is freakin scary compared to what we were up to.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  smile

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#6 2013-01-25 5:24pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

We had to learn everything by watcing others and experimentation. One foot starts on the gate. The second race, we saw that it looked stupid so we learned standing starts, etc. Next was learned how to take jumps, table tops, step jump jumping, speed over jump, how to carry speed into corner. We learned about apexs, swooping others and how to pedal through corners. Also how to sequence the typcial four or sometimes three jump whoop-dee-doo's. This was always hard for me until I figured out how to seqence the whoops. It was all from experimentation, watching others and learning what did not work.

I would have been faster with the internet but so would my competition. neutral


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#7 2013-01-25 5:27pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

The sport would have progressed faster.


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#8 2013-01-25 5:35pm

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Remember it wasn't easy to get parts bntd.


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#9 2013-01-25 6:51pm

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I will just say that what we were doing in the 80's blew away anything kids were doing in the 70's. Progression!


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#10 2013-01-25 6:57pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

I think if videos were the standard by which we were judged instead of contest judges it would have made a BIG differance for me.....

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#11 2013-01-25 6:57pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

I still would have sucked at flatland big_smile


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#12 2013-01-25 7:06pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

TONE wrote:

I watched  "That's Incredible"  every single week for like 4 months so that I could watch RL race that horse.   

Back in those days I didn't even have a vcr so I had to record everything to my brain, directly.

Good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn0H-po5 … ults_video


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#13 2013-01-25 7:17pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

I would've broken myself into pieces. I wasn't any kind of sponsored or competitive rider, but I had a bad habit of trying anything I saw someone else to because I wanted to be at least as good as anyone I knew. There were four or five things that ever showed me live motion - the 86 (I think) AFA ground masters video, a video I don't recall except that Rich Sigur was doing alley oops and Ron Wilkerson's wife was talking about him, a GT home video, a 2 Hip contest that was aired on TV and I recorded then watched about 7000 times, and finally, the Life's A Beach tour came near my hometown in 88 and I got to see Pete Augustin riding launch ramps and boxes and such at the old Granite Run Mall. That day changed my riding until I got off my bike, but had I seen everything everyone was doing, I'd have pushed myself right up until I snapped in half.

Thank you internet, for not coming along and killing me because I thought I was a lot better than I really was big_smile


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#14 2013-01-25 7:45pm

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

I'll that the internet has made freestyle progress much faster in some aspects, but one thing I think back that was cool was that a lot of people started to develop their own styles.  I think of the Plywood Hoods and how they did things differently, because they thought for themselves, rather than just mimicked what they were seeing in videos(there was no instant videos on the internet!).  I think of how different scenes had riders with different styles.  It still exists today, but with really only magazine coverage in those days, you had to kind of figure things out on your own.  Even tricks you knew were being done, well...you didn't always know how they were getting into those tricks, or how they were getting out. 

Really, I'm talking about the explosion of flatland and it's progression in the late 80's.  I myself came up with tricks that I thought I did first because I really had no way of gauging what the rest of the sport was doing.  Dumb luck and ill informed made for some exciting times.

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#15 2013-01-25 7:59pm

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I probably wouldn't be here today .  We did enough crazy stuff just looking at magazines back then. Every time I look at videos and these parks I thank god we didn't have this. Lol

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#16 2013-01-26 7:24am

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Re: Question for the 80's hardcore riders

Jeff V wrote:

I think if videos were the standard by which we were judged instead of contest judges it would have made a BIG differance for me.....

I hadn't thought of that but that's a really good pointt.

What got me thinking about it was watching contest footage from 86, 87 % 88 (my prime years) on youtube recently. And I slowly came to realize that almost everything done in those videos, I could do. I remember DMC used to get so mad that people compared their own best riding to his worst, and I am not comparing like that. But all things being equal, me on and them on, it wouldn't be cut and dried.  I had a chance.

The difference I think it would have made is it would have bridged that West Coast/Everyone else gap really fast. Being marooned in a small town on the East Coast all I had was the magazines and they promoted all this crazy stuff and the camera angles made everything seem like they were going so high. And then the tours came through, and the excitement of the big time riders coming in, you didn't watch them with a critical eye. No. It was Woddy Friggin Itson out there. You didn't watch it and think "I can do most of that". You thought "WODDY FRIGGIN ITSON!!"

Combine that with my self assessment of my place with some of the guys I rode with... Brian Foster. Kevin Jones. We'd see guys like Pinky, and Mirra and the Alder brothers. These were unsponsored guys, and I saw that I was nowhere near as good as them. So I guess in my head I thought the guys who were big time sponsored must have been light years ahead. I didn't realize that I was riding with some of the best riders on the planet. And I wasn't *really* that far off. Behind, yes. But not by a huge degree.

To me, I think it would have motivated me to make a go at it way earlier before my body started to fail me. It would have helped me see how far away I really was, and pushed me to bridge the gap. My goal wasn't to be the best on earth, my goal was to make a living. So my Target wouldn't be Kevin Jones. It would be someone like Fred Blood. I could never hold a candle to Kev. I probably could have given Fred a run for his money (as an example).

When I was at the POW house, we met up with Brett Hernandez for a little flatlanding. He was a really cool guy, and very talented. But it really hit me here was a famous guy, and I could hang with him. I was 20, with a bad knee and concussion problems. And seeing that I was actually good enough motivated me like nothing before.

But alas. It was ultimately too late.

Plus, if there was an audience for videos, I might have cared a little bit more the two days my aunt let us borrow her video camera...Done something instead of goofing off.


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