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#1 2013-01-24 10:18am

liquidvibe
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BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

wanted to hear the opinions of other old school collectors and hobbiest as to what kinds of things they value most in a bike you build and/or add to your collection. this came to mind when i thought about spending 400 dollars for stem. such a small piece of the overall puzzle yet some how i could just spending that much because having an original period correct bike was important and, unfortunately, that's the going rate. back in the 80s when i rode a lot i mainly valued performance and feel of the ride over athstetics, originality, etc. now as a collector i tend to value how original the bike is and how it looks overall. most 20 inch bikes are too small (and maybe i'm too old) for me to ride much any more so quite honestly having top quality components in reality just doesn't matter... but yet i might spend 400 dollars on stem which at the end of the day isn't going to make a bit of difference in how i ride over a cheaper re-pop version. so just curious about other's opinions in terms of what you value with your bikes.

so on a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being least important (i.e. you could care less) and 5 being most important (i.e. gotta have it no matter what), how do you rate the following:

how important is overall looks and artistry of your completed bike?
how important is period correctness?
how important is originality (meaning there isn't another one like it out there)?
how important is the quality & performance of the components?
how important is the feel of the ride?
how important is the resale value (retirement plan??)?

what else is important to you??

appreciate any discussion on the topic.. thanks

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#2 2013-01-24 10:41am

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

I guess I will chime in......I am not a collector but I do build mainly old school bikes. Like yourself I have also spent crazy money on certain bike parts, not to be era correct, just that those seemed to be the parts that worked best for me and are scarce now. There are some true collectors here who will wait until the exact era part shows up and spend an unreal amount to get it which I understand also. My bikes are built to RIDE but also have "artistry" to them too.


liquidvibe wrote:

how important is overall looks and artistry of your completed bike?
I would say a 4 here.....overall looks are important as well as function.

how important is period correctness?
1 for this....I could care less what part was used in that era....most people who actually rode their bikes (freestyle at least) did not keep all the stock parts on their bikes.

how important is originality (meaning there isn't another one like it out there)?
Another 4 here......I do like my builds to have somewhat uniqueness to them.

how important is the quality & performance of the components?
Solid 5.....I will not ride my bike hard until EVERYTHING is dialed in and working properly (to reduce chance of injury). There are some builders that just slap stuff together and call their bikes complete when you can clearly see the chain is loose, brake pads are not lined up with rim, tire pressure low, etc...that is all a no-no in my book.

how important is the feel of the ride?
Another solid 5.....again all components must be working as they should, nothing loose or rattling.

how important is the resale value (retirement plan??)?
0 for this one......know for a fact that in this hobby you will never have resale value unless the part is extremely rare and someone wants to pay high money for it. I don't use those type of parts. Also I always redo my frames/forks to look brand new, whether show chrome or custom powder....once the bike sells this money is never recovered anyway.

what else is important to you??
Mainly that the bike is setup for my riding. I have tried to adapt to new school frames but they are just not suited for the type of riding that I do.

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#3 2013-01-24 11:35am

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

Better yet, what happens to our stash after we're worm food? I don't see kids today giving two bunny-hops for old school. Kind of like me, not giving a rats ass for muscle bikes. In the grand scheme of things, I wonder which bikes will live on as actual "museum" pieces.

For me, it's mainly nostalgic and a great hobby. It's funny that we're willing to go nuts rebuilding to spec the bikes we customized bitd. Imo, frankenbikes are era correct. To each his own I suppose.


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#4 2013-01-24 11:48am

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

how important is overall looks and artistry of your completed bike?    5
how important is period correctness?    Period Correctness as in 85-88 for example.....or Manufacturer correctness?    Some bikes I build manuf correct.  Try to at least.  Others...select parts in which I think is cool or wish I had as a lad.......so 2-3
how important is originality (meaning there isn't another one like it out there)?    4
how important is the quality & performance of the components?  5...i wish I could dial brakes in though
how important is the feel of the ride?  3 or 4.  I am not dropping in on a half pipe or nothing.   I casually ride with my kids or the fellas on occassion
how important is the resale value (retirement plan??)?  4.  Some things I will recoup my money, some things I will break even, some I will lose on.  It is what it is

Chromocrazy is right....frakenbikes are era correct.   Nobody rode stock.   We all added a lil flair to our bikes and/or skaeboards BITD.

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#5 2013-01-24 11:53am

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

overall look.   scale, it just has to look like I can ride it. 

period correctness?  read last one.   prefer new tires, etc so it is ridable.

originality? in what sense?    Prefer original finish.  The more you collect, the more you start preferring original finish, over restorations.   

quality?  read the first 2 answers

feel? same as last

resale value? 1

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#6 2013-01-24 12:25pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

This should be interesting..

I build my bikes for many different reasons.

1.  I have 80's bikes I collect.
2.  I have 80's bikes set up to ride.
3.  I have New School bike to ride "hard".  lol
4.  I can ride all of my bikes, I'm not afraid of getting them dirty, they are all survivor built, or in survivor shape.  If I have something NOS on them...  oh wait..  it's not NOS anymore, so nevermind..  I'll still ride them.
5.  I'm not going to do a 6 step drop on #1, and possibly #2.
6.  I'd rather spend my riding time on my Mountain Bike than on any 20" bike.

how important is overall looks and artistry of your completed bike?  I build for fun, keep me out of trouble, and busy.  I like them to look good in MY eyes, not in anyone else's.  I could give a rats ass about "Artistry".
how important is period correctness?  I consider this a range of years.  Some things I care more about than others (cables for example, I don't really care too much), but like to keep them within +/- 2 years.  I don't need New School tires to ride my bikes.  I don't think this is any different than someone riding a 2013 bike.  Most will upgrade to the point of having most parts withing a few years, or versions of models.
how important is originality (meaning there isn't another one like it out there)?   I'll build catalog bikes, or some with some originality, or parts that I just like.
how important is the quality & performance of the components?   Quality, yes..  like it's been said, I'm not getting 10 ft of air on these anymore, I'll ride them around, do some endos, bunny hop, do a couple old school tricks if needed.  Again, depends on which type of bike I am building.
how important is the feel of the ride?  See above.
how important is the resale value (retirement plan??)?  lol  0 - if anyone is planning on retiring on this stuff, they're going to live poor later in life.  smile

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#7 2013-01-24 12:33pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

To me it is all about survivors.  I do like NOS stuff but my favorite is all original survivors.


I wouldn't be here today if the old school didn't pave the way.

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#8 2013-01-24 12:49pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

thought of one more:

how important is preserving the actual history of this sport through the bikes you collect and build?

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#9 2013-01-24 1:00pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

liquidvibe wrote:

thought of one more:

how important is preserving the actual history of this sport through the bikes you collect and build?

Isn't it the fact that we collect/restore 20+ year old bikes that preserve the history?


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#10 2013-01-24 1:03pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

ChromoCrazy wrote:

liquidvibe wrote:

thought of one more:

how important is preserving the actual history of this sport through the bikes you collect and build?

Isn't it the fact that we collect/restore 20+ year old bikes that preserve the history?

Let's save this thread, and just not go here...  smile

We've hashed it out before, we know the opinions on this, and can probably guess who will chime in on each.

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#11 2013-01-24 1:09pm

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Re: BMX Artistry: What do you the old school collector value most?

Interesting question. I don't ride my old school bikes much...not because I'm afraid of hurting them, but more so because I can't just "cruise". I feel the need to do stupid stuff on my bikes when I ride, like jumping off of loading docks...and that's not as much fun on a 40 pound bike from the 70's with a 17" top tube and coaster brakes. I did that back in the 70's and it was fun then, but I like my new school bikes soo much better now.

how important is overall looks and artistry of your completed bike? 5  It's got to look "right".

how important is period correctness? 5  Huge to me. Ever seen a bitchin' 50's style hot rod and as you're checking it out you notice that billet 80's air cleaner that sticks out like a sore thumb? Same thing.

how important is originality (meaning there isn't another one like it out there)? 1  I can appreciate a well done Mongoose just as much as a super rare bike.

how important is the quality & performance of the components? 2  Most of my bikes are 70's bikes, and as far as quality goes they're turds compared to the more refined 80's bikes. A lot of them have mild steel frames with huge ugly booger welds, and I love them just as much as my TIG welded chromoly 80's bikes.

how important is the feel of the ride? This is a hard question to answer. Ride quality as far as how I put it together is very important...I don't want my bikes to feel loose or like they're about to fall apart. Everything has to be tight and smooth. Ride quality as far as geometry is totally different...my old school bikes ride nothing at all like my new bikes, but it's like comparing apples to oranges. There's 30+ years of geometry and technology advancements in between them.

how important is the resale value (retirement plan??)? 1  That's not why I build them.

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