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#1 2013-01-17 10:27am

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reproductions, remakes, reboots and copies

I'm not just talking about decals or retro bikes but other stuff as well. Why did they reboot Spider man, they just made that movie 10 years ago. I like the SE retro bikes they are making now. I hate people who try to pass off crappy reproduction decals as NOS. I know the answer is money in just about every case but what do you think.

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#2 2013-01-17 11:10am

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Re: reproductions, remakes, reboots and copies

Just like anything, if it sells, people will make it.

And if it already has a built in consumer base, the risk is that much less.

You bring up Spider-Man. Much less risk to make a movie or publish another comic book with an established character than to create a new one.

Much easier to re-introduce an established brand, than to create a new one.

Sometimes it's purely for the $$$, other times it's more about nostalgia.

In the best case scenarios, it's a bit of both.

If it's done well, and is respectful to the past and the original source, I have no problem with any of it.

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#3 2013-01-17 11:12am

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lollollol all over the place with this one. ADD?

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#4 2013-01-17 11:25am

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Pros should only be able to edit sales posts!!!!

REPOP SUCKS!!!

and i guess i wont comment on spiderman since you edited it out lol


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#5 2013-01-17 11:29am

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The real old school stuff will hold its value but I see people trying to pass the copies off as old school. It can muddle the hobby unless you know what you're looking at.

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#6 2013-01-17 11:32am

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It's still there, did you like the new spider man?

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#7 2013-01-17 11:33am

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I have mixed feelings about repro's.  It seems like it is a plague as far as collecting goes.  However it is nice to have access to new parts, etc. without having to pay absurd prices for NOS stuff.  I am on the fence so to speak.  I currently don't own one thing that is a re pop but if BMX Products ever makes re pop pad set I will buy one of each color.


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#8 2013-01-17 11:47am

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I'd prefer that when a company remakes something, they put a stamp or make a slight design change to make it distinguishable from the old school stuff. I see too many people trying to pass off new stuff as old school.

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#9 2013-01-17 11:49am

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Agreed , that new Spider-Man sucked. And what's with Lucas adding extra cgi to Star Wars and the other movies. They were perfect how they were when I saw them all way back when. That new total recall movie sucked too. Remakes are never as good as the first one as far as movies go with the one exception of Al in Scarface, that movie can never be topped, but I'm sure they will try to remake that in another few years to. Sad really.... The writers in Hollywood cant come up with anything new and just keep remaking the same old movies with the same old plots over and over. Seems the BMX is doomed to repeat this fate as well.
  Seems to me sometimes something doesn't need to be tweaked or altered. Nothing spins better then a wheel, and that's that, so why try and replace it?  Like my dang iPhone or Mac/PC , always upgrading or changing the format or layout of my screen.... I just got use to the dang thing and then they go and change it all around and I need to learn a entire new operating system. I'm old and tired and just want to make a damn call or send a dang email, why do we need to relearn how to do this every other month, lol.
  Some things are just good the way they are and should never change. Others do need a tweak here and there. I guess it all depends on what it is. It's nice to hit a button and scroll down my computer screen and pick a song out in a instant. On the other hand theirs nothing like pulling out an old album out of its sleeve , the smell of the vinyle and putting the needle on the record and letting it spin, looking at all the great art work that use to be on cover..... I miss that.  Just don't get that feel with thing these days. hmm

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#10 2013-01-17 11:59am

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Lucas added cgi to Star Wars to sell dvds. If he wanted to sell alot more, he'd offer the original cut on blue ray.

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#11 2013-01-17 12:28pm

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One of the reasons I stopped collecting was because of the fake stuff coming out of SE Asia that people are starting to swear is real now.  "NOS" parts, seemingly appearing out of nowhere, yet no matter what the part is, there is never any retail packaging.  Then somebody started floating the idea that they were all "factory seconds" and then people believed it.

Just like all of these Sugino 400s are 'NOS' - sorry, but any of you that bought a set from Coffemilk or whoever in Thailand, bought fakes.  You can say whatever you want to make yourself believe you bought real Sugino 400s, but whatever floats your boat I guess.  It's becoming too hard to tell what's real anymore.

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#12 2013-01-17 12:32pm

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Re: reproductions, remakes, reboots and copies

Add all the fake Gyros to the list....Peregrine discs,,,,Peregrine grips,....Haro Team discs....The list goes on and on.

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#13 2013-01-17 12:39pm

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djhoudini wrote:

Add all the fake Gyros to the list....Peregrine discs,,,,Peregrine grips,....Haro Team discs....The list goes on and on.

I got one of the Thailand "NOS" Gyros in the mail the other day... the plate parts look good, as do the cables themselves... but the Oddyssey stickers on the splitters were off, as was the "Gyro" screen printing on the cap. It's off in size and font compared to an original survivor I have. Seems like a lot of work to do for a $35. part though. Where do these come from? The parts themselves look good, just the printing is slightly off.

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#14 2013-01-17 12:41pm

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SARON81 wrote:

djhoudini wrote:

Add all the fake Gyros to the list....Peregrine discs,,,,Peregrine grips,....Haro Team discs....The list goes on and on.

I got one of the Thailand "NOS" Gyros in the mail the other day... the plate parts look good, as do the cables themselves... but the Oddyssey stickers on the splitters were off, as was the "Gyro" screen printing on the cap. It's off in size and font compared to an original survivor I have. Seems like a lot of work to do for a $35. part though. Where do these come from? The parts themselves look good, just the printing is slightly off.

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#15 2013-01-17 12:48pm

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I don't own any of the new landing gear but they appear to look like the old stamped LG. Does anyone own both and are there any differences?

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#16 2013-01-17 1:05pm

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if it's not a show build i could care less.  i ride pretty much everything i have.


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#17 2013-01-17 7:09pm

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If it's good it's good. The guy that try's to pass it off as old is the joke. I'm not a big fan tho. Need the decal's tho, I could care less about n.o.s. actually I find a lot of the time the old stickers have leached moisture into them in spots and you never know till you crack them open. I've even had them not even peel and I'm out 100 bucks for that "rare" s.e. decal that my 50 cent repop decal just kicked it's a*$. Can you tell I just bought a Hutch repop decal set, ha ha ha


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#18 2013-01-17 7:10pm

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dang museum builds, lol smile


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#19 2013-01-18 11:28am

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djhoudini wrote:

Add all the fake Gyros to the list....Peregrine discs,,,,Peregrine grips,....Haro Team discs....The list goes on and on.

Absolutely.  What's funny is, I was one of the first people to warn that all of those parts from Thailand were fakes, and so many people cried foul on me. The biggest argument against it was, "There's no way people in Thailand have the ability to make those parts."  Yeah, sure - it's rocket science. 

Coffeemilk is a very good example - he/she will occasionally list genuine parts, while throwing in fakes, some of which are so blatantly fake it's funny (the Haro Master sprockets come to mind here). Many people that buy the stuff just don't know better, and some people knowingly buy the fake stuff and somehow convince themselves it's real.

Seems like finding real NOS parts is becoming harder and harder and collecting is just not as fun anymore.  I haven't sold anything I have, though I've thought about it...

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#20 2013-01-18 11:36am

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"Reproduction" or "repop" has a negative connotation to me. I intrepret it as a product that's made without the permission of the original company, and violates intellectual property. For example, Profile, to me at least, did not "repop" its retro cranks. It's still the same company, still made in USA, still made with the near same specs, etc. The hardcore collectors can distinguish between the OG ones the hand etchings on the insides "180" vs. the 2008 ones. Nobody is trying to get you to pay crazy money for the retros....

I won't pay $1000+ for something that costed like a small fraction of that 25, 30 years ago. You can, and to each his own.

So "repops, reissues" whatever you want to call them are fine with me, as long as the seller discloses that up front. wink

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#21 2013-01-18 11:39am

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cyclone wrote:

I don't own any of the new landing gear but they appear to look like the old stamped LG. Does anyone own both and are there any differences?

Yes. The current LGs got different angles where they're welded together to the steering tube. The old ones are usually unstamped. Plus, the current ones got a different clearance when you mount either a 2.125" or 1.75" width wheel to them. The OG ones got tighter gaps whereas the current ones got a noticeably bigger one. And the most obvious is that the OG ones are 1" threaded...there's much more. I can usually tell by looking at it in person.

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#22 2013-01-18 11:41am

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I myself have no problem with reproduction parts as long as they are sold/represented as such. I looked for 5 years for a Redline Pro-line PL-20 decal set and spent $200.00 to get a rough set. Now you can get a set for $20.00. I would much rather paid the $20.00. All i wanted to do is complete my bike like it was back in the day. I was not concerned if the decals were era correct, I just wanted decals on the bike.

A few years ago I had some Titan decal sets made and also some padsets. I just wanted people to be able to complete thier projects, and I did not price gouge the items. I only recovered my costs. Just think how many people were happy to complete a project that had been sitting for years. Everything sold out in less than a week and everyone was happy. big_smile

As long as it is all done with honesty and taste, I am all for it.

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#23 2013-01-18 12:04pm

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What about fake designer bags.....love em or hate em?


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#24 2013-01-18 12:18pm

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spyker wrote:

What about fake designer bags.....love em or hate em?

I don't carry one often lol, but if you want the look and not the price I guess it is alright. As long as it is represented as a knock-off, and priced accordingly.


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#25 2013-01-18 12:21pm

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jkraig wrote:

spyker wrote:

What about fake designer bags.....love em or hate em?

I don't carry one often lol, but if you want the look and not the price I guess it is alright. As long as it is represented as a knock-off, and priced accordingly.

yup. dont get me wrong....i would rock repro parts. but not at nos prices!


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