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#1 2013-01-03 5:19am

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Part outs

Ever miss getting a bike u have been wanting and see it getting parted out a week later? Makes me sick to my stomach to see, not the part of not getting the bike but just seeing an all original bike get tore apart and scattered across the planet never to be joined again. That's a sad day in BMX in my opinion.


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#2 2013-01-03 5:51am

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Re: Part outs

This thread has potential.


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#3 2013-01-03 5:56am

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I could care less about most of the bikes that get parted on this site.  Many of them were poorly conceived or poorly maintained from day one or they are so common that no one will ever know the difference if one is gone.  Those bikes really are mostly garbage anyway but  sometimes a nice one comes up that deserves to be saved and it will get raped just like the rest.  It is sad.  Unfortunately, you will find a very strong faction of people who don't care about preserving the deserving.  The bigger issue is that whole survivors don't bring as much cash as parts and money is what the average douche thinks this is all about.  To them, the history means nothing.  It's all about getting that coin.  Until that attitude and the culture in general changes on this site in particular, we will continue to see incredible bikes ruined forever.  This site is where that stuff is learned and perpetuated.  It's a shame that it is that way.  However, I do believe we have made progress here.  People are starting to see the light and understand that when the OGs are gone, they are gone.  This part-out issue, the unnecessary refinish and the rash of repop garbage that gets bought here every day are what is undermining the integrity of this hobby and it steals our past from us each time something killer gets ruined.  I know you won't all agree and that is cool.  Everyone has their opinion.  Unfortunately, on this site, that opinion is usually uneducated and short sighted, but I salute those of you that have taken the time to learn why parting out, re-finishing and repopping are all our common enemies.  I just hope more of the guys on here will think twice and do some research before ruining another one. Rant over.

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#4 2013-01-03 6:00am

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Re: Part outs

itsdug wrote:

This thread has potential.

lol  Absolutely!

This one too ->  http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=480310

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#5 2013-01-03 6:04am

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Re: Part outs

I agree with Benny.

Also, with he original poster.

Parting out bikes is a bogus way to make money. Guys come here because they have Passion for old bmx bikes and then see dollar signs. What started as a quest for old school gear and insight, quickly turns to greed and opportunity.

Parting out bikes that were just built is no biggie as they have no "soul", so to speak.

Parting out bikes that have been together for years (ie, former race bikes) or box stock bikes (ie, a 1985 master) is a crime that seems to be celebrated here.


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#6 2013-01-03 6:10am

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Re: Part outs

I've learned to love and appreciate OG finish parts and survivors. Unfortunately I re-finished a couple of bikes along the way thinking everything should look new. I found my way.


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#7 2013-01-03 6:10am

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Re: Part outs

Also, refinishing bikes is lame!

Look across any collectible hobby and you will find that refinished stuff is not desirable.

Any serious antique aficianado will tell you to NEVER "fix up" a collectible! Every one!!!!

Be it, Movie  memorabilia, militaria, comic books, furniture, art, sports cards, you name it.

He desire to have this bike stuff look "minty" is so tired. sad

Ps. This was not directed at you Doug. We have all done it.

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#8 2013-01-03 6:14am

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Re: Part outs

vintage chromoly wrote:

I agree with Benny.

Also, with he original poster.

Parting out bikes is a bogus way to make money. Guys come here because they have Passion for old bmx bikes and then see dollar signs. What started as a quest for old school gear and insight, quickly turns to greed and opportunity.

Parting out bikes that were just built is no biggie as they have no "soul", so to speak.

Parting out bikes that have been together for years (ie, former race bikes) or box stock bikes (ie, a 1985 master) is a crime that seems to be celebrated here.

I agree with these, though here is my addition to it.

I have a bike, it's an original survivor.  Nobody will buy it.  I don't want it.  I really don't care about how much money I make on it, though it would be nice to recover what I spent..  not a big concern though.  I can't sell it for 50% of what I bought it for to move it, but I pretty much have the entire bike sold by parting it.

It's frustrating to me, because I don't want to part it..  but its really my only option.  We're de-cluttering to buy a new house, and I need to slim down the collection.

Sometimes the need to move something, is more important.  I'm not in a financial hardship, but if I was..  my priorities would definitely change from caring about a survivor, to me, and my family's survival.

Not that I think that is what is happening most of the time, but sometimes life is what it is, and decisions have to be made.

I don't know...  wrong, right..  I don't want to do it, but might be my only option.

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#9 2013-01-03 6:18am

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Re: Part outs

vintage chromoly wrote:

I agree with Benny.

Also, with he original poster.

Parting out bikes is a bogus way to make money. Guys come here because they have Passion for old bmx bikes and then see dollar signs. What started as a quest for old school gear and insight, quickly turns to greed and opportunity.

Parting out bikes that were just built is no biggie as they have no "soul", so to speak.

Parting out bikes that have been together for years (ie, former race bikes) or box stock bikes (ie, a 1985 master) is a crime that seems to be celebrated here.

And this happens in every hobby/activity. Vintage cars, baseball cards, fossils, beanie babies, etc. Once the @holes smell money they jump in and jack it up for everyone else.

But on the other side of the coin, I can stand the opposite @holes who forget that these items we love were meant to be used. Not stored and hoarded. It's not a contest to see who collect the whole set.


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#10 2013-01-03 6:24am

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@ Five:  ^^^^Interesting point.  That goes back to the desirability of whole survivors.  It's tough. Perhaps the fact that we lose nice ones every day will fuel the market for completes.  That would be an interesting discussion.  What will increase the demand and price for whole survivors? Answer: scarcity.  Simple economics but so is parting for maximum ROI.  A slippery slope, I tell you!   Is it even possible to increase the interest in them?

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#11 2013-01-03 6:26am

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Re: Part outs

That redline is nice five!


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There - Not here....Their - Not yours....They're - they are
Here - Not there....Hear - To perceive sound
Lose - To not win....Loose - Not tight
Sale - this is FOR SALE....Sell - Going to get rid of
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#12 2013-01-03 6:51am

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If i see a dude that looks like a blatant part everything out guy.  I refuse to buy anything from them. 
Flat out refuse.  They are the lowest of the low.

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#13 2013-01-03 6:59am

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Re: Part outs

Explain this to me then cause i really want to know:

What makes a bike "historically valuable"?

If it was ridden/raced by a historically accomplished racer/rider that is one thing but if it was some rich kids bike whose parents just went to their LBS in 1983 with a fat wallet and bought the best of the best and the kid raced it for a season then hung it in the garage that to me does not make it historically valuable.

To me "historically valuable" bikes would be original complete survivors or bikes like Woody's gold Hutch and RL's mustard 20 II. Anything else are just parts put together and hold no significant value aside from sentimental value to the original owner.

A couple years ago i made the mistake of selling/parting out a 1983 DB viper which i still lose sleep over. While it wasn't a high end bike or have really any good parts to speak of it was in its original state down to the tubes. Upon looking back i still wish i would have kept it together but it spent weeks in the F/S section with no bites.

In summary a bike is just parts put together and aside from certain instances to me they only hold significance to the person who put them together and rode them back in the day, not to the guy who bought it 30 years later.

Bash away purists.


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#14 2013-01-03 7:01am

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Re: Part outs

Collectors. Restorers. Accumulators. Riders. Opportunists. Many different reasons for guys to be on this site.

As a group, we will all never agree.

There is no right or wrong. Only your opinion of what is right or wrong. 

And your opinion means squat to the next guy with a different opinion. lol

Sounds like America to me. wink


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#15 2013-01-03 7:10am

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Re: Part outs

Saved, restored or cleaned-up, and sold 3 complete survivors, all geese.  Parted 3 survivors that were not really completes, but complete parts collections that were built with some junk and some good parts.


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I check the WTB section almost everyday, please try and do the same.
You may hook someone up and make some money to buy more parts.
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#16 2013-01-03 7:16am

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Re: Part outs

vintage chromoly wrote:

That redline is nice five!

Thanks!  Not sure if you are referring to the recent part out of it  wink, but that wasn't an original survivor, I built that up myself, and sold it as I bought the parts.  I don't really consider that a part out of a survivor.  It was a survivor build.

It was a cool project, I documented it, and moved on.

The one that I'm talking about is a true survivor, never changed from it's original owner.

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#17 2013-01-03 7:17am

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Re: Part outs

dwh19690 wrote:

Collectors. Restorers. Accumulators. Riders. Opportunists. Many different reasons for guys to be on this site.

As a group, we will all never agree.

There is no right or wrong. Only your opinion of what is right or wrong. 

And your opinion means squat to the next guy with a different opinion. lol

Sounds like America to me. wink

Tough subject but this guy said it well

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#18 2013-01-03 7:17am

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Re: Part outs

bennyt4130 wrote:

Until that attitude and the culture in general changes on this site in particular, we will continue to see incredible bikes ruined forever.  This site is where that stuff is learned and perpetuated.  It's a shame that it is that way.

vintage chromoly wrote:

Parting out bikes that have been together for years (ie, former race bikes) or box stock bikes (ie, a 1985 master) is a crime that seems to be celebrated here.

You guys have such a hate for this site and its members which you perpetuate elsewhere yet you are here everyday, why?


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#19 2013-01-03 7:19am

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#20 2013-01-03 7:29am

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vintage chromoly wrote:

I agree with Benny.

Also, with he original poster.

Parting out bikes is a bogus way to make money. Guys come here because they have Passion for old bmx bikes and then see dollar signs. What started as a quest for old school gear and insight, quickly turns to greed and opportunity.

Parting out bikes that were just built is no biggie as they have no "soul", so to speak.

Parting out bikes that have been together for years (ie, former race bikes) or box stock bikes (ie, a 1985 master) is a crime that seems to be celebrated here.

I have to disagree with you here Rob depending on what the person's intentions are....BTW it's done in every hobby.  wink  Yes, some that are parted out should be kept together as they are something special BUT a blanket statement about every complete found is a bit unrealistic. 

I have done it more than a few times and KEPT those special completes-sometimes people use that opportunity to add to their collections and to offset the cost to their wallet.  Now there is a few people that do this as their primary income and I know these people personally-without these people you would't have the parts to build bikes you want.  Do I understand what you are sayin'---yup.

I don't see a problem with anybody making as much coin as possible-that is what capitalism is and what this nation is based upon.  The only time it's a problem is when people LIE to get the deal or if their is any deception. wink

Getting top dollar after parting a survivor isn't a sin...it's a matter of dollars and sense...and I meant sense not cents.  wink


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#21 2013-01-03 7:45am

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There was an ELF complete red to white fade in For Sale beta a year or so ago. The seller asked who ever bought it to not part it out. Man it was sweet. I had no money at the time, after tax time I was going to grab it, and definitely not part it out. It was done. White flights, white epoch, white DK, etc. Of course it sold and instantly got parted. But I got the heart of it on eBay, the frame and fork. It’s still in the museum pics if you want to see how it looked.

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#22 2013-01-03 7:54am

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People who "bitch" about part-out's should BUY them!"Oh,It's a shame that your parting it out......but can you sell me?
I bet 90% of the people who "bitch" about part-out's are the people who are buying the parts!

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#23 2013-01-03 7:56am

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Part outs suck, especially when you try not to .  and need cash badly for bills, etc...   all I can say.


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#24 2013-01-03 8:00am

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Re: Part outs

Understand your point VC, Benny, OP...but agree with Scott.

I pieced most of my bikes together....so parting them is of no concern to me.
However...I have a RL Osborn Team....mostly OG.....and it would pain me to part this rare survivor out.  Matter of fact....I will keep it before parting.


I will refinish something if it needs it.....but my eye has matured and I prefer OG goodness if I can find it.  cool

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#25 2013-01-03 8:03am

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Re: Part outs

The truth is with the good comes the bad. Those of you that have your "grail" and it was found as just a frame would have nothing to build it with without those guys. They should have a bit more Couth about what they do tho. I try to only buy stuff that needs to be saved. Stuff that screams for help, those are the ones I get my parts from. The sweet completes I feel it's my job to sit on till I find their rightful owner. Just like Field of Dreams "If You Build It, They Will Come." If it's rusted up, you have to get rid of it, rust ISN'T Patina, it's a horrible cancer that needs Chemo. You should be kicked if you peel any stickers off no matter how crappy they are, unless there's rust under them. Rust should be the deciding point for a refinish, If God says it's time, then do it smile


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