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#1 2013-01-02 7:54pm

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DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

I was talking to a very reliable source (no names ATM) this evening via phone trying to get more info on the DoubleCross BMX frames. My source informed me DC BMX will no longer be made in Canada by Yess BMX but they are to be shipped overseas to made by the Chum Ching Wong, or Hung Way Lo - you choose. No disrespect to that guy making a living, but something I liked about DC BMX is they are made at home (which for me is Canada and UxSxA). I'm disappointed that it has to be this way. Guess DC BMX won't be getting my business.

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#2 2013-01-03 10:47am

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

The issue was with YES not Doublecross.  Doublecross took their business else where for the same reason Curpi did.
I spoke with Bob owner of Doublecross yesterday (as I will be getting one of his new pro xl's this year) and rest assured while his frames will be made offshore they will be of a same if not slightly higher quality than before and built by a small outfit that already builds very high end bicycles.  He also as some very unique bars and high end forks in the works at the moment, check his site.
Bob is a stand up guy and backs his product 100%.

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#3 2013-01-03 8:15pm

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

Sad that someone would pass up a quality product because of this...


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#4 2013-01-03 8:25pm

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

I can imagine that it will still be a quality frame, but I can also imagine that they'll lose business simply because they aren't made in America (albeit Canada not the USA).


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#5 2013-01-04 5:29am

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

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The issue was with YESS not Doublecross.  Doublecross took their business else where for the same reason Crupi did.
I spoke with Bob owner of Doublecross yesterday (as I will be getting one of his new pro xl's this year) and rest assured while his frames will be made offshore they will be of a same if not slightly higher quality than before and built by a small outfit that already builds very high end bicycles.  He also as some very unique bars and high end forks in the works at the moment, check his site.
Bob is a stand up guy and backs his product 100%.

I didn't talk to "Bob", you did. Anyone in his position would "blame the other guy" instead of getting their own hands dirty. Lets say for the sake of argument that the problem did lie with Yess, why not find another "American" company to build for them? I'm sure there's an American/Canadian company right now that would gladly produce this bike with in reasonable cost and have the quality standards Bob requires. Yet, it's an overseas company that has the contract. Why is that? It cuts into the profits, Bob's profits to be exact. Why should a company offer anyone the job in America or Canada when they can get the product made overseas for less and increase profits?? Pretty cheap move in my book.

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#6 2013-01-04 6:12am

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

I understand your point of view, collapse, but that is the way of the world these days. Unless you're a collection agency or payday loan place, you outsource. I don't agree with it, but can't really change it. GM and Ford have both gone that direction. It certainly doesn't help when consumers scream for more stuff, better stuff and are rarely ready or willing to pay for it.

I know Bob and he's an okay guy. He has a family to feed and a business to run. While I wish he would have still had his frames made here, I can understand the move overseas. Hoffman had to make that same decision at one along with most other manufacturers. If that's the only way they can remain viable, I'd rather have that than nothing. Sucks, but it's reality.


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#7 2013-01-04 7:43am

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

It is a business.  Businesses exist to make money, not create American jobs.


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#8 2013-01-04 9:08am

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jasvanek wrote:

I understand your point of view, collapse, but that is the way of the world these days. I don't agree with it, but can't really change it. GM and Ford have both gone that direction. It certainly doesn't help when consumers scream for more stuff, better stuff and are rarely ready or willing to pay for it.

It is the way the world has gone, and it's quite unfortunate. We do have the choice here and now. We can choose not to purchase products like this. For most of us, this will be a luxury item. We don't have to have it, we choose to. All I'm saying is Choose America, is that so hard for Americans/Canadians? This subject could go far deeper but I don't think this is the place for that smile

As for Bob, he may be a good guy, with a family to feed. I don't disagree with Bob's right to earn a Good/Great living with profit as little or as much as he desires. What I do disagree with is that an overseas company has the contract instead of a N.American company. It would be ignorant to say "Bob couldn't find anyone else in N.American to build these frames to his specification". I imagine there are plenty of builders out there that would wet their pants to build these frames. Keep this in mind, that unemployed fabricator/builder, I bet he/she's a good person too. I bet he/she has a family to feed.

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It is a business.  Businesses exist to make money, not create American jobs.

If American's don't have jobs, their usually not buying bike frames tongue

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#9 2013-01-04 10:13am

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

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It is a business.  Businesses exist to make money, not create American jobs.

Without starting an argument, Businesses don't exist without customers. If the customer decides they want an American bike, they cross your business off the list.

Just as it isn't Doublecrosses responsibility to employ US workers, it isn't US customers responsibility to buy from Doublecross. It goes both ways.

Just my 2 cents, and I'm not in the market for a new bike now. But I do buy my frames and forks that were welded here in the US, and that will never change for me.


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#10 2013-01-04 8:29pm

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

I know people get sick of the whole "buy American" thing on this board, but I for one am glad to be in a hobby where that is at least an option and where the ethic to support American manufacturing remains strong.  I've got bikes with American-made frames/forks from four different companies, three of which still make their stuff in the in the U.S.  If I were a techie like my wife, I'd be SOL.

I do wonder, however, how much this matters to anybody under age 30 these days.


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#11 2013-01-05 2:32am

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ProThunder4 wrote:

I know people get sick of the whole "buy American" thing on this board, but I for one am glad to be in a hobby where that is at least an option and where the ethic to support American manufacturing remains strong.

I do wonder, however, how much this matters to anybody under age 30 these days.

Some really good points. In the bigger picture of things, I think its good to buy American/Canadian yes, but it isn't bad to buy overseas products either. The scales are tipped towards the overseas products quite a bit, not just with bikes. I ran across an old thread here where some guy was trying to build an All-American bike, and it seems damn near impossible. Yes there is the obvious truth that overseas products out number American Made, but it's sure nice when you have the option to buy either.

As for the kids .... I guess we'll see. I have a nephew that was big into riding street and jumps, he could care less where it was made as long as it was the hippest brand of bike/part. The only thing American on his bike is the Profile crankset I got him tongue

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#12 2013-01-05 8:31am

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I ran across an old thread here where some guy was trying to build an All-American bike, and it seems damn near impossible

I tried to do this on the new school Standard I'm building.  The only parts I couldn't find current U.S. manufacturers for were brake cable and housing, chain, inner tubes, and tires.  Even those items, however, are available from European makers, so made in Tawain and made in China are by no means inevitable (not that I have anything against our Asian brothers and sisters ... my son's PK Racing Ripper Junior came all the way from DongGuan Province, China, and is a great bike).


Marshall W. "Major" Taylor, one of America's greatest bicycle racers, on succeeding in sport and life: Don't try to "gyp." Don't be a pie biter. Don't keep late hours. Don't use intoxicants. Don't be a big bluffer. Don't eat cheap candies. Don't get a swelled head. Don't use tobacco in any form. Don't fail to live a clean life. Don't forget to play the game fair. Don't take an unfair advantage of an opponent. Don't forget the practice of good sportsmanship.

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#13 2013-01-05 4:47pm

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Maybe Yess couldn't continue making the complicated double chainstay frame for DC for the same cost anymore, and no US frame manufacturer was willing to do the frame for the same reasons. And to keep the frame competitively priced at the current cost, DC needed to go overseas. Just looking at the double chainstay, I can imagine the added work and time to produce the frame would bring the cost a bit higher than regular frames.

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#14 2013-01-07 9:08am

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FREAKAH wrote:

Maybe Yess couldn't continue making the complicated double chainstay frame for DC for the same cost anymore, and no US frame manufacturer was willing to do the frame for the same reasons. And to keep the frame competitively priced at the current cost, DC needed to go overseas. Just looking at the double chainstay, I can imagine the added work and time to produce the frame would bring the cost a bit higher than regular frames.

This is not it. I ride for Doublecross. There were at least a couple issues with Yess. The most recent one being the whole last order coming in with the wrong size top tubes. The whole order!

The thing I love to see is when American BMX companies stress how important it is to 'buy american' and use it in their ad's and when I go and look at their t-shirts they are all made in Vietnam or somewhere in Asia. Im not trying to Profile any company but wouldnt you want to at least practice what you preach?

American Apparel makes some pretty nice t-shirts in California......

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#15 2013-01-07 3:08pm

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Yeah, Bob told me the whole story with Yess, but it's not my place to air all the issues here.  However with that behind Doublecorss I am excited to get my hands on one of the new frames when they are in.

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#16 2013-01-08 8:14pm

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sidehack wrote:

Yeah, Bob told me the whole story with Yess, but it's not my place to air all the issues here.

There's Bob's side, Yess's side and the truth. The fact remains the new product will be made overseas

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#17 2013-01-08 8:42pm

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Re: DoubleCross Bikes No Longer Made in N. America??

Hey Guys, I run the Factroy Doublecross Australia Team and I do know the story but as said before by someone else it is not our place to speculate or air anything other than to say that Bob is working hard to present quality products for all. There was mention that there would be bigger profits for Doublecross. I would wait for the products to arrive and start hitting the market before assuming that there will be more money made here.

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#18 2013-01-08 11:05pm

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If you listen to the following at around the 43min mark, Bob explains everything

http://www.bmxpodtrax.com/1/post/2013/0 … dtrax.html


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#19 2013-01-09 1:56am

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Bob a great guy and now runs one of the biggest US racing teams.  I don't think there many teams doing so much for racing in the US.  Look at all the riders he support.  He has been putting a lot back locally. hmm. How many teams out there don't really have a team?  I know there are a lot.  They pick up a couple of riders and that's it.


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#20 2013-01-11 2:28pm

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Bob a great guy and now runs one of the biggest US racing teams. He has been putting a lot back locally hmm

This obviously doesn't include jobs in North America.

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#21 2013-01-12 1:00am

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huffyrider wrote:

Bob a great guy and now runs one of the biggest US racing teams. He has been putting a lot back locally hmm

This obviously doesn't include jobs in North America.

Cananda is not America so who cares?  Looks like Yess needs to learn to build frames the correct size. roll


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#22 2013-01-12 5:31am

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Cananda is not America so who cares?

Actually, Canada is part of America, not part of the United States. With that said, I'm done with this thread. This comment right here is about the most ignorant I've heard yet. I'm certain that it comes from a guy that has never taken the time to visit the Great White North let alone live here. Walk in my shoes for a while buddy, I think you'd have a change of heart.

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#23 2013-01-12 6:12am

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Ignorance will destroy us all...


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#24 2013-01-12 6:34am

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huffyrider wrote:

collapse wrote:

huffyrider wrote:

Bob a great guy and now runs one of the biggest US racing teams. He has been putting a lot back locally hmm

This obviously doesn't include jobs in North America.

Cananda is not America so who cares?  Looks like Yess needs to learn to build frames the correct size. roll

Somebody buy this guy a globe!

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#25 2013-01-12 7:12am

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Business is business. As long as quality doesn't suffer who cares. The problem with "Americans" is we have become lazy and greedy. The MAJORITY of us can only afford so much as far as price goes, so if this brings prices down a hair...I see it beneficial. I wanted to get my kid a DC but that's alot of $ for a kid to outgrow in a year. Besides economically it's considered importing/exporting and DC will still sell her and pay his taxes here. Shimano is a great company and they are made overseas. S&M/Standard great AMERICAN companies and probably the complete exception to bike companies being able to survive with not cutting cost and that's because they gave a "cult like" following. Most overseas companies have harsher regulations for metal fabrication then we do.

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