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#1 2012-11-21 1:12pm

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It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

So I found this frame today at an LBS. It was priced right, and it looked GREAT. So I scooped it up.

The S/N is on the left rear drop-out. It points to Jan/1983. It's J8343118. Its covered in Victory and Canada stickers. The color is deep!! And I think its chrome underneath.

Any help on this ID would be SO awesome. I'd love to build this one up.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii603/batmanlacey/Bike%20Stuff/IMG_5046.jpg

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#2 2012-11-21 1:20pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Wow that is really RED and really AWESOME! cool


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#3 2012-11-21 2:52pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Darkman wrote:

Wow that is really RED and really AWESOME! cool

Thanks!!  big_smile


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#4 2012-11-21 2:56pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Looks like a Tioga Rhino.

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#5 2012-11-21 3:00pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Looks like its Canadian, eh.


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#6 2012-11-21 3:11pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

edit: useless comment  wink

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#7 2012-11-21 3:23pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

I also think think it could be a Flying Rhino (thanks scraplord):
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/flying_rhino … K1hfmcnOSo

Or possibly, an Anaconda? (here's a link, 5th one down)
http://www.mtb-museum.de/bmx/bikes/older-bikes.htm

I just realized, its also got a Tioga MOTOCROSS headset. So, now I'm definitely thinking Flying Rhino.

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#8 2012-11-21 10:33pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

It really doesn't look like a true Flying Rhino to me. The welds are nice but on my old one they were much nicer and the drops don't look as nice also those stamped weep holes aren't correct for a FR. It looks like a really nice middle quality frame though. It is likely an off brand copy.


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#9 2012-11-21 10:54pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

hutchheaven wrote:

It really doesn't look like a true Flying Rhino to me. The welds are nice but on my old one they were much nicer and the drops don't look as nice also those stamped weep holes aren't correct for a FR. It looks like a really nice middle quality frame though. It is likely an off brand copy.

You know, its funny. I actually thought it had pretty sloppy welds. But that's one of the things that made me think FR. Most of those have these fat, uneven line welds.

Hmmm. . . . . someone MUST have a definitive answer! yikes


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#10 2012-11-21 10:58pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

True Flying Rhino frames generally have beautiful welds. I have seen many frames that people said were FR's that weren't real. You know the ones with the crappy welds.


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#11 2012-11-21 11:02pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Have a look at the one I put a link to. It's close to mine, but not exactly. But it's got the identical sloppy welds on the gusset.


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#12 2012-11-21 11:08pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Does that one have the OG decals from the factory? I don't really have time to look right now as I am going to bed and typing this on my cell. I know you want the frame to be valuable but it is most likely a Victory or whatever the probably original decals designate it as.


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#13 2012-11-21 11:22pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

hutchheaven wrote:

Does that one have the OG decals from the factory? I don't really have time to look right now as I am going to bed and typing this on my cell. I know you want the frame to be valuable but it is most likely a Victory or whatever the probably original decals designate it as.

Oh that's not it at all. I just wanna know what it is! And I don't think FR's are all that valuable, are they?

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#14 2012-11-21 11:50pm

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

it appears to be a victory

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#15 2012-11-22 12:07am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

squirrelsmith wrote:

it appears to be a victory

Except its not. I'll post some close-up pics of the gusset and the bottom of the BB tomorrow. You can clearly see this was an aftermarket (paint/anodize/whatever the finish may be), job. And then the stickers were added after. There's lots of runs in the finish. Looks great! Does not look factory in some spots.


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#16 2012-11-22 7:20am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

What they are saying is it's a tange made frame, which made tioga, Kuwi's and many others. It probably is a Vicrtory made for sale in Canada.


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#17 2012-11-22 8:07am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Actually I highly doubt it is even Tange made but obviously the OP knows better. Lol.


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#18 2012-11-22 8:49am

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http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr212/Volcanobmx/Tioga-Page-1.jpg

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#19 2012-11-22 9:03am

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Green Griffin 420 wrote:

What they are saying is it's a tange made frame, which made tioga, Kuwi's and many others. It probably is a Vicrtory made for sale in Canada.

So, that would mean the original owner was able to find a new set of stickers, for an obscure bike, after having it refinished? It just doesn't add up. And if its not even tange, who else made these frames? Does anyone know where I can at least see another Victory frame? Do a little comparing?

(And the OP does NOT know better, that's why he's here smile )


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#20 2012-11-22 9:08am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

LOL the paint is probably OG. I wasn't trying to offend but I get annoyed easily and take it out on people sometimes. Sorry for that but I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that it isn't a Rhino. Probably/likely not TANGE made either. If it were my frame I would keep the decals on it as they are most likely original to the frame and would likely be impossible to find. as a lower priced frame the runs and such wouldn't seem too far out of place. It is cool and you get a decent deal for $50.00. cool


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#21 2012-11-22 9:13am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

BTW do you have a better picture of the decal located by the gussets? It will likely show who manufactured the tubing.


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#22 2012-11-22 9:47am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

I'm trying to get pics of things, but the red makes it really difficult. The stickers are bubbled, uneven, and definitely not original. Neither is the finish. The finish is full of runs(probably because its over chrome) So although I do NOT know what it is, nor am I claiming it to be something, I seriously doubt its original brand is Victory.

And the decal by the gusset says "Guaranteed Built With SAE 4130 ISHIWATA CrMo" but, I think it was added. If you saw it in person, you'd probably think the stickers were added after the fact.

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#23 2012-11-22 9:55am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Its too bad we cant see the brake bridge on the 82 rhino in the museum, because otherwise, mine is identical. What about the S/N? Where is that on a Rhino?

Whatever the case may be, I have serious doubts as to the originality of the Victory stickers.

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#24 2012-11-22 10:14am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

That chrome bike that you linked to probably isn't a Rhino either. Just an FYI.


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#25 2012-11-22 10:16am

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Re: It's Red, it's Beautiful and it's Awesome. But. . . .WHAT IS IT???

Also that stamped hole would point towards this being a lower quality frame.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii603/batmanlacey/Bike%20Stuff/IMG_5053.jpg


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