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#1 2012-11-17 2:43pm

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The foolishness of collecting/hoarding.....anything

I have learned something in the 3 weeks since this hurricane flooded the coastline of NYC and NJ.  It is pointless to hoard/collect.  As I watch people throw out ALL their belongings that were soaked in the flood, I see the uselessness of it.

I have seen boxes of comics, cloths, albums, you name it!  The point is, with ALL their belongings destroyed, these people are going to move on, and continue living.  The stuff, no matter how cherished, was just that...stuff.  In the end, a waste of time/money/energy....

It just really drove home the foolishness of collecting pretty much anything, if you are collecting just for collecting's sake anyway.

Going to be unloading lots of stuff soon.  I really just do not want it anymore after seeing what I have seen.  After the past 3 weeks, hoarding piles of bikes parts seems at the very least pointless, and even somewhat offensive.

Not sure if this should be in catchall, or everything else.  I put it in catchall because the hoarding/collecting I am referring to in this case involves mostly bike stuff.


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#2 2012-11-17 2:47pm

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#3 2012-11-17 2:51pm

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I agree. After building up a nice life or so I thought with a couple money grubbing women just to see it all go I don't care anymore to have anything.

Then you got the ass holes in this hobby.......


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#4 2012-11-17 3:05pm

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Re: The foolishness of collecting/hoarding.....anything

Many shades of gray here.

I just quit my job. Burnt out, tired of the bs, but also, i started to feel owned by the things the job had allowed me to accumulate (bicycles, racing motorcycles, and parts for both) You think bicycles are bad? Motorcycles go to hell in a hurry if they aren't ridden and comprehensively maintained.

So, I've been cleaning up a couple of motorcycles for sale; this is actually the best time to sell racebikes as guys like to buy in the fall so they have all winter to prep for next season. I'm almost done with those, but I've been switching up with the bmx stuff as well, mostly because my garage is a sh!thole and I get tired of being out there. Thing is, though, I'm not so inclined to part with the bmx stuff, if for no other reason than I get so much enjoyment from actually riding my bikes. i guess, for me at least, that that is the distinction. I've never done a super esoteric, nos, show-only build (not that there is anything wrong with those, to be sure) and I quickly came to realize that I never would.

In fact, i bought a really nice MotoMag survivor (still a literal score) on here a few months back only to turn around and sell it at a loss when I couldn't bear to either restore it, ride it, or part it out - so when I realized my only option was to keep it and look at it, I passed it on.

I definitely hear what you are saying, though. And I definitely agree, possessions aren't nearly as important as most people think. At least, though, bicycles have real use in addition to all the emotional satisfaction they give us. Pros and cons, shades of gray..


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#5 2012-11-17 3:15pm

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I like to build a bike, ride it a couple times, fall in love with it, then take it apart and sell it off when I find another bike to build.  I have been pondering about selling off my stash of stuff that I don't talk about.  I've seen my share of peoples' estate collections that just go to waste after a disaster or death and in the end it means nothing.  A local guy out here collected toy trains to the point that you couldn't walk through his house.  One night his house caught on fire and he died from breathing in all the fumes from the burning plastics. The house was condemned and 2 days later the state brought in a dumpster and hauled everything away.  Now it's an empty lot..  I'm afraid I could be that guy one day.


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#6 2012-11-17 3:51pm

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You can't live like that. We all know were all gonna die someday, that is the one thing I have guaranteed. If I didn't spend my money on bikes what else would I spend it on? We have clothes, cars and home, vacation. So the money I spend on that is just that money. I don't take it from our budget. Actually I only get an allowance from the wife. smile Don't worry be happy.smile Enjoy your toys today cause you might not have em tomorrow.

But if you decide to part with your possessions hey I respect that.

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#7 2012-11-17 3:59pm

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My observations are similar.   But in this case I have gripes with just the overboard consumerism.  In my neighborhood, although not heavily damaged, many houses did get flooded, the amount of crap people are tossing out is insane.   Some of the items dont really even look damaged (so clearly they are not needed or cherished), I think its just an opportunity for these people to get rid of some of the tons of junk that they have amassed due to an addiction to spending.   The garbage in my neighborhood is not your typical junk even on a regular day.   Its a upper middle class to upper class hood, so the garbage here reflects that, you will regularly see excellent items tossed out.  So much so that on garbage night you often see people from other towns driving around in pickups and vans sorting through the garbage on the curb, I personally have salvaged 3 bikes.  People spend too much.....its all that Chinese junk that is too easily obtained.


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#8 2012-11-17 4:03pm

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XJguy wrote:

My observations are similar.   But in this case I have gripes with just the overboard consumerism.  In my neighborhood, although not heavily damaged, many houses did get flooded, the amount of crap people are tossing out is insane.   Some of the items dont really even look damaged (so clearly they are not needed or cherished), I think its just an opportunity for these people to get rid of some of the tons of junk that they have amassed due to an addiction to spending.   The garbage in my neighborhood is not your typical junk even on a regular day.   Its a upper middle class to upper class hood, so the garbage here reflects that, you will regularly see excellent items tossed out.  So much so that on garbage night you often see people from other towns driving around in pickups and vans sorting through the garbage on the curb, I personally have salvaged 3 bikes.  People spend too much.....its all that Chinese junk that is too easily obtained.

Is doesn't matter if they appear damaged.  Anything that was submerged must be thrown out.  The sea water was highly contaminated with raw sewage through out the areas effected.  It must all be thrown out.

I am seeing people throw out their lives.  This is not spring cleaning.

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#9 2012-11-17 4:05pm

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fonzy wrote:

You can't live like that. We all know were all gonna die someday, that is the one thing I have guaranteed. If I didn't spend my money on bikes what else would I spend it on? We have clothes, cars and home, vacation. So the money I spend on that is just that money. I don't take it from our budget. Actually I only get an allowance from the wife. smile Don't worry be happy.smile Enjoy your toys today cause you might not have em tomorrow.

But if you decide to part with your possessions hey I respect that.

It's not about dieing someday and leaving it.  It's about realizing that it's just a bunch of crap we carry along with us from house to house.  Like George Carlin once said, a house is just a pile of crap with a roof on it.

Also, I am not saying it's silly to buy the things you get joy from.  I plan on keeping some bikes.  The foolishness is in the collecting of items that bring no joy, beyond the initial high of the acquisition.

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#10 2012-11-17 4:10pm

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Yes, if it brings no joy, is not being used, and is just sitting somewhere in a box, then it's pointless. I've gone through all my boxes and am getting rid of anything that isn't specifically for the last 2 builds I'm doing. What's the point of keeping them?


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#11 2012-11-17 4:15pm

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U get screwed up sometimes its part of life,  Try to get the best out of it as long as u have family and friends then stuff doesn't really matter.

I went though hurricane rita and ike while I were live down in texas and it really sucked.  perfect timing I made loan on remodeling my house plus new roof then about 4 months later it got destroy from ike and ever since my house sit like that with half roof gone and and insurance deiced to screwed me up after never missed payment for 4 years I am in 9k hole from that house I still have to paying that for next 6 years yes I still own the house down in Lufkin but the house is no good.

What I am trying to say is why give up after what u see? I have been though worst two hurricane and my house gone garbage  did I give up? no I keep doing what I love the most!

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#12 2012-11-17 4:16pm

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I totally get it. It's clutter. I have been trying to live by the six month rule.  If you haven't used it, or needed it in six months, out it goes. If you have so called collectables, display them or get rid of them.  Doesn't do you any good sitting in a box you never look at.


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#13 2012-11-17 4:21pm

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I think what you're reacting to (aside from the horrible life-altering devastation we've experienced over the past several weeks in the wake of Sandy) is how transient possessions are in this life - but then again, so is everything.  Time, love, health, a "sense" of security - all fleeting, and at times an illusion to begin with.

Is it collecting that's a waste?  I don't think so, not if you value what you have, and appreciate it an enjoy it.  But to hoard anything simply for the sake of doing so is symptomatic of a pathology.  And to over-value your possessions - derive self worth from what you own or place material things over people - well, that's just sad.

I leave you with this: Freud concluded that hoarding was found mostly in adults who, as children, were not "praised" enough (or adequately) after taking a s**t.  The act of taking a dump as a child - according to Freud - is a big deal.  And children who weren't praised enough after The Deed were more likely to grow into adults who didn't want to get rid of anything.... and eventually started hoarding.  Go figure.

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#14 2012-11-17 4:22pm

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Iceman wrote:

I totally get it. It's clutter. I have been trying to live by the six month rule.  If you haven't used it, or needed it in six months, out it goes. If you have so called collectables, display them or get rid of them.  Doesn't do you any good sitting in a box you never look at.

6mo is a bit short...I would have tossed out nearly everything I own by now LOL.   I think 3 year rule is more realistic.


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#15 2012-11-17 4:24pm

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kmpap wrote:

I think what you're reacting to (aside from the horrible life-altering devastation we've experienced over the past several weeks in the wake of Sandy) is how transient possessions are in this life - but then again, so is everything.  Time, love, health, a "sense" of security - all fleeting, and at times an illusion to begin with.

Is it collecting that's a waste?  I don't think so, not if you value what you have, and appreciate it an enjoy it.  But to hoard anything simply for the sake of doing so is symptomatic of a pathology.  And to over-value your possessions - derive self worth from what you own or place material things over people - well, that's just sad.

I leave you with this: Freud concluded that hoarding was found mostly in adults who, as children, were not "praised" enough (or adequately) after taking a s**t.  The act of taking a dump as a child - according to Freud - is a big deal.  And children who weren't praised enough after The Deed were more likely to grow into adults who didn't want to get rid of anything.... and eventually started hoarding.  Go figure.

LOL....I remember specifically as a little boy pooping in the big people toilet, and being so proud of the rather healthy size of my creation then calling my mom to see it and her saying thats very nice, now flush it....and I did not want to!  LOL


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#16 2012-11-17 4:35pm

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Ok I see what your saying now. Yea if your just buying stuff for the sake of hoarding or think you got some kind of treasure and not cause your using it, might have some issues. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

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#17 2012-11-17 4:35pm

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Its nice that you had a revaluation, but because you don't see the point doesn't mean its a waste to me. Don't get me wrong I get what your saying, Iv been thinning the collection over the last 4 or 5 months, but i still have 20 complete and all mid to high end and that's thin from where i was.

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#18 2012-11-17 4:36pm

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Iceman wrote:

I totally get it. It's clutter. I have been trying to live by the six month rule.  If you haven't used it, or needed it in six months, out it goes. If you have so called collectables, display them or get rid of them.  Doesn't do you any good sitting in a box you never look at.

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#19 2012-11-17 4:36pm

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If collecting brings you joy, then do it..
If getting rid of everything brings you joy, do it...
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Priorities certainly change over time..for ME, the fun of Cycling never does...

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#20 2012-11-17 4:38pm

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#21 2012-11-17 4:39pm

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XJguy wrote:

Iceman wrote:

I totally get it. It's clutter. I have been trying to live by the six month rule.  If you haven't used it, or needed it in six months, out it goes. If you have so called collectables, display them or get rid of them.  Doesn't do you any good sitting in a box you never look at.

6mo is a bit short...I would have tossed out nearly everything I own by now LOL.   I think 3 year rule is more realistic.

I hear ya, but not when it comes to stuff you'll never use.  I just dumped a box of bolts from a 84 vette that I sold 5 years ago. I laughed at myself. I took other crap I had laying around a few months ago and sold it at a garage sale. A buck here and a buck there..... I made enough to send my wife and kid on a trip to see Mickey. All from junk "I had to keep".  I'm much more organized, and only try to keep stuff I'll actually use.


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#22 2012-11-17 4:40pm

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I'm not really into hoarding, per say.  But if you have a hobby that you enjoy, then do what makes you happy.  Life is too short to not enjoy yourself.  I try not to keep anything that I never use, but I do have a few personal items that I will keep forever, or for as long as I can.  My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who has ever experienced a tragedy where they lose their home and/or all of their belongings.  Events like this definitely bring life and what is important into perspective.

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#23 2012-11-17 4:45pm

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The problem is the old Aristotle thing.  We seek happiness, but instead, settle on pleasures.  The stuff we buy offers temporary pleasure, but not lasting happiness.  Which, of course, is why we need to buy more, because the pleasure of the acquisition is fleeting.

Very little separates the hoarder/collector from a drug addict.

And in the end, it winds up in the bucket of a pay-loader, being loaded into a dumpster.

Don't mean to get all philosophical lol  Just how I have been thinking of possessions these past few weeks.  And more importantly, why I feel the need to possess them.

Do not get me wrong, I am far from a hoarder.  I just have lots of stuff I don't use, and far to many bikes, considering I actually ride just a few of them.


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#24 2012-11-17 5:15pm

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For all the fun that we have being on an enthusiast site like this, it does influence the hoarder and makes new ones.

I used to hang on a ski forums web site all the time, all I wanted was a pair of nice skis.....I now have about 30 pairs and still "need" 2 more pairs.

I just wanted to clean up my RL-20II and bring it back into active duty....I ended up going all out and restoring my other Redline as well to the tune of over $2000, and I cant help but want more every time I see another nice Redline popp up on this site.  I love my bikes and am very happy I did what I did....but realistically I have no need for either much less 2 or more.  I would have been better served dropping $400 on a NS bike to beat on.


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