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#1 2012-11-16 3:49pm

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New school paint and graphics....a pondering

I am wondering if the modern dark paint schemes, matte paints and minimal decals on bikes are in part popular due to their ability to hide finish damage from today's tricks?    I look at the modern tricks, many are very bike-destructive; in the old days not many tricks, other than a seat grinder, did much damage.   But when they did get damage it was very easily seen due to the bright shiny finishes, as well as the huge, damage prone, decals.

I see modern day riders beat the piss out of their bikes, with grinds and such and from a distance the bikes look just as good (or bad in my opinion) as when new, mostly due to not having bright decals, if any, and having low gloss, dark schemes that are not far from the raw chro-mo underneath.    Or are the finishes now used simply bullet proof and don't scratch?   

I think if I do end up buying a new school bike, as much as I love my 80's colors (was thinking of painting a new school bike Redline Turquoise), I might go raw, that way I wont be apprehensive about doing finish damaging tricks on a new $1000 bike.


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#2 2012-11-16 4:17pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

I think it's the colors in general are just popular.  I rode flatland so my stickers got chewed up in a couple of months, white frames got shoe scuffs and Haro didn't pay me or give me bikes so why advertise for them.  My bikes were almost always plain.


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#3 2012-11-16 5:59pm

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all my riders  are black or raw except my MTB cause its got powder coating on it,  i don't worry about em, and the black touches up nice with a sharpie!  tongue


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#4 2012-11-16 6:10pm

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Meh, the super cool trans and candy colors are also really popular right now.


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#5 2012-11-16 6:39pm

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I think it's a valid hypothesis.
Its common knowledge that damage shows more on light colors.Cars etc.
Consumers know it, so companys offer what we want.
My Sinner (Matte Green) was scratched to death and I dented the Cstay, but you couldnt tell
unless you were right up on it.
My watermelon Funday you can see the scratches a mile away.

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#6 2012-11-16 7:02pm

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I absolutely love the colors of my old Redlines, but those kicky colors would feel sort odd on a new school - and I'm not sure why that is. 

In part it's me: I don't want to feel like I'm "reliving" something when I'm on my NS, but enjoying BMX in it's present state.  That's also one of the reasons I like my NS - makes me feel like BMX is a part of my life now - not that I'm "recapturing" something from 27 years ago.

I'm thinking of building up a raw Macneil frame I have.  I think a raw finish is awesome...

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#7 2012-11-16 8:08pm

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I think it's more a case of the bike companies following style trends with colors and graphic fashions, I don't think they're too worried about scratched stickers. Neon and bright colors were popular in the 80's on everything, not just bikes. Everytime I dig out an old shirt or hat from the 80's I wonder what the hell we were thinking wearing that stuff... lol
For what it's worth I think the dark somber colors and matte finishes have run their course. I think bright colors are coming back, along with more intensive graphics.

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#8 2012-11-17 8:12am

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bmxerpete wrote:

Everytime I dig out an old shirt or hat from the 80's I wonder what the hell we were thinking wearing that stuff... lol...

For what it's worth I think the dark somber colors and matte finishes have run their course. I think bright colors are coming back, along with more intensive graphics.

Ha ha - remember "Jams"?  Did you wear those?  Crazy-colored flowered shorts that practically went down to your shin....I loved those.

I think your right about color coming back.  In 2000 a Dans catalog looked like a funeral parlor - black, gray and more black.  Now there's a lot of intense color.  What goes around comes around.  Let's hope Jams come back, too.  I'm good for a pair.

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#9 2012-11-17 8:35am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

kmpap wrote:

bmxerpete wrote:

Everytime I dig out an old shirt or hat from the 80's I wonder what the hell we were thinking wearing that stuff... lol...

For what it's worth I think the dark somber colors and matte finishes have run their course. I think bright colors are coming back, along with more intensive graphics.

Ha ha - remember "Jams"?  Did you wear those?  Crazy-colored flowered shorts that practically went down to your shin....I loved those.

I think your right about color coming back.  In 2000 a Dans catalog looked like a funeral parlor - black, gray and more black.  Now there's a lot of intense color.  What goes around comes around.  Let's hope Jams come back, too.  I'm good for a pair.

lollol
Jams!!
lollol

I wore a couple. It was like a paint pallet threw up.

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#10 2012-11-17 8:47am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

kmpap wrote:

bmxerpete wrote:

Everytime I dig out an old shirt or hat from the 80's I wonder what the hell we were thinking wearing that stuff... lol...

For what it's worth I think the dark somber colors and matte finishes have run their course. I think bright colors are coming back, along with more intensive graphics.

Ha ha - remember "Jams"?  Did you wear those?  Crazy-colored flowered shorts that practically went down to your shin....I loved those.

I think your right about color coming back.  In 2000 a Dans catalog looked like a funeral parlor - black, gray and more black.  Now there's a lot of intense color.  What goes around comes around.  Let's hope Jams come back, too.  I'm good for a pair.

lollol

Jams... I had tons of those, loved 'em!

Also really liked high top sneakers. Had the Larry Bird Converse, they were the sh!t.



Personally I'm not a fan of the New School style of bike at all. I like the beefy-ness of them and that they are made well but I hate that every bike, no matter the company, IMO looks the same, the paints colors are the same, the geometry is the same, every NS bike I see looks just like every other NS bike. I think if I had a NS bike I would paint it some off the wall 80's or 90's color just to be different.


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#11 2012-11-17 10:21am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

Darkman wrote:

Personally I'm not a fan of the New School style of bike at all. I like the beefy-ness of them and that they are made well but I hate that every bike, no matter the company, IMO looks the same, the paints colors are the same, the geometry is the same, every NS bike I see looks just like every other NS bike. I think if I had a NS bike I would paint it some off the wall 80's or 90's color just to be different.

Funny you say that.Every OS bike I see nowadays looks the same,same parts,color and even the way they are set up are all the same.


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#12 2012-11-17 10:38am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

spyker wrote:

Darkman wrote:

Personally I'm not a fan of the New School style of bike at all. I like the beefy-ness of them and that they are made well but I hate that every bike, no matter the company, IMO looks the same, the paints colors are the same, the geometry is the same, every NS bike I see looks just like every other NS bike. I think if I had a NS bike I would paint it some off the wall 80's or 90's color just to be different.

Funny you say that.Every OS bike I see nowadays looks the same,same parts,color and even the way they are set up are all the same.

I dont know about that one man......I mean I know that if you look at a certain brand and model, sure there is only so much you can do to make yours different, and its common to set the bikes up the same way and in the same colors.   But across brands....I strongly disagree.   Look at these....they are all night and day different:

http://bmxmuseum.com/image/0164_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0247_copy3_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_1083_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0171_copy4_blowup.jpg


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#13 2012-11-17 11:41am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

XJguy wrote:

spyker wrote:

Darkman wrote:

Personally I'm not a fan of the New School style of bike at all. I like the beefy-ness of them and that they are made well but I hate that every bike, no matter the company, IMO looks the same, the paints colors are the same, the geometry is the same, every NS bike I see looks just like every other NS bike. I think if I had a NS bike I would paint it some off the wall 80's or 90's color just to be different.

Funny you say that.Every OS bike I see nowadays looks the same,same parts,color and even the way they are set up are all the same.

I dont know about that one man......I mean I know that if you look at a certain brand and model, sure there is only so much you can do to make yours different, and its common to set the bikes up the same way and in the same colors.   But across brands....I strongly disagree.   Look at these....they are all night and day different:

http://bmxmuseum.com/image/0164_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0247_copy3_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_1083_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0171_copy4_blowup.jpg

Well if you compare another trickstar 2 to another trickstar 2,it pretty much is built the same with the same parts and color combo,infact pretty much all the OS bikes of the same make and model all look look the same.Everyone builds them the same way,with the same parts using the same color combo.


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#14 2012-11-17 12:05pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

spyker wrote:

XJguy wrote:

spyker wrote:


Funny you say that.Every OS bike I see nowadays looks the same,same parts,color and even the way they are set up are all the same.

I dont know about that one man......I mean I know that if you look at a certain brand and model, sure there is only so much you can do to make yours different, and its common to set the bikes up the same way and in the same colors.   But across brands....I strongly disagree.   Look at these....they are all night and day different:

http://bmxmuseum.com/image/0164_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0247_copy3_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_1083_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0171_copy4_blowup.jpg

Well if you compare another trickstar 2 to another trickstar 2,it pretty much is built the same with the same parts and color combo,infact pretty much all the OS bikes of the same make and model all look look the same.Everyone builds them the same way,with the same parts using the same color combo.

The biggest difference Old vs New to me is that BITD we could tell what kind of bike it was from across the lot based on frame design and color combo, though we did use alot of the same parts on all our old bikes. As said before all new bikes look alike esp. if their all black. Way too cookie cutter for me.


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#15 2012-11-17 3:16pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

Q. XJguy how can someone learn trick without scratching their bike?
A. They cant

Another pointless thread about people taking jabs at ns. The thing is the people complaining about ns dont even ride or willing to except change. The people out there doing the so called destructive tricks dont give a sh!t how their bike look. If all I wanted to do is have a pretty bike I wouldnt ride it. Honestly who really goes out riding pushing their own personal limits care what a bike looks like.....Seriously?

My bike I believe every part and every section of my frame has a scratch. You should go to a flatland jam or a skatepark where bmx is welcomed. Listen to the sounds on bikes being dropped, slammed or thrown. Could you imagine at one of those places someone yells "Oh crap I scratched my bike"

Just get out and ride maybe yall or you would understand its just a damn bike.

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#16 2012-11-17 3:40pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

RL Craig wrote:

spyker wrote:

XJguy wrote:


I dont know about that one man......I mean I know that if you look at a certain brand and model, sure there is only so much you can do to make yours different, and its common to set the bikes up the same way and in the same colors.   But across brands....I strongly disagree.   Look at these....they are all night and day different:

http://bmxmuseum.com/image/0164_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0247_copy3_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_1083_blowup.jpg
http://bmxmuseum.com/image/img_0171_copy4_blowup.jpg

Well if you compare another trickstar 2 to another trickstar 2,it pretty much is built the same with the same parts and color combo,infact pretty much all the OS bikes of the same make and model all look look the same.Everyone builds them the same way,with the same parts using the same color combo.

The biggest difference Old vs New to me is that BITD we could tell what kind of bike it was from across the lot based on frame design and color combo, though we did use alot of the same parts on all our old bikes. As said before all new bikes look alike esp. if their all black. Way too cookie cutter for me.

+1

Easy to tell a Bully from a GT from a redline... etc from a distance. Tubes are different, some have added frame bars, some have a taller stance, yaddy yadda...


Personally can't tell a Standard, from a FBM, from a FIT, ... They all look the same to me. Some have fat tires, some have teenie tiny sprockets, some have the seat SLAMMED to the point it touches the tire... No... Wait... They ALL do. neutral




I'm not knocking NS bikes, they are made with good quality parts and set up the way they are for a reason, and some Dudes can RIP on them. I'm just saying I can't tell the f#%kin' difference if my life depended on it, no matter what color it is. wink


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#17 2012-11-17 3:51pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

harlen wrote:

Q. XJguy how can someone learn trick without scratching their bike?
A. They cant

Another pointless thread about people taking jabs at ns. The thing is the people complaining about ns dont even ride or willing to except change. The people out there doing the so called destructive tricks dont give a sh!t how their bike look. If all I wanted to do is have a pretty bike I wouldnt ride it. Honestly who really goes out riding pushing their own personal limits care what a bike looks like.....Seriously?

My bike I believe every part and every section of my frame has a scratch. You should go to a flatland jam or a skatepark where bmx is welcomed. Listen to the sounds on bikes being dropped, slammed or thrown. Could you imagine at one of those places someone yells "Oh crap I scratched my bike"

Just get out and ride maybe yall or you would understand its just a damn bike.

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Man, no one is taking jabs at anything, this is a discusion.  You are starting to act like certain peoples who you are not allowed to say anything about unless its 100% posityive without being classified as less than PC or worse.


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#18 2012-11-17 6:07pm

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No, you dont see scratches as well on dark colors.
Yes, your bike will get scratched if you ride it.
Thats just how it works. No need for fistacuffs. tongue

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#19 2012-11-17 7:58pm

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#20 2012-11-18 6:44am

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

Darkman wrote:

RL Craig wrote:

spyker wrote:


Well if you compare another trickstar 2 to another trickstar 2,it pretty much is built the same with the same parts and color combo,infact pretty much all the OS bikes of the same make and model all look look the same.Everyone builds them the same way,with the same parts using the same color combo.

The biggest difference Old vs New to me is that BITD we could tell what kind of bike it was from across the lot based on frame design and color combo, though we did use alot of the same parts on all our old bikes. As said before all new bikes look alike esp. if their all black. Way too cookie cutter for me.

+1

Easy to tell a Bully from a GT from a redline... etc from a distance. Tubes are different, some have added frame bars, some have a taller stance, yaddy yadda...


Personally can't tell a Standard, from a FBM, from a FIT, ... They all look the same to me. Some have fat tires, some have teenie tiny sprockets, some have the seat SLAMMED to the point it touches the tire... No... Wait... They ALL do. neutral




I'm not knocking NS bikes, they are made with good quality parts and set up the way they are for a reason, and some Dudes can RIP on them. I'm just saying I can't tell the f#%kin' difference if my life depended on it, no matter what color it is. wink

Yeah no matter the color NS do all look the same.
And we're not knocking it just making an observation.

I ride NS and I tried to get it away from the cookie cutter look. There nothing stopping anyone from taking a NS ride and making it look OS with some paint or Graphics, maybe we can start a trend. wink


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#21 2012-11-18 7:04am

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I find that NS doesn't look all the same, you just have to LOOK for the subtle differences. And as for NS race frame, they are very easy to tell apart.

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#22 2012-11-18 7:29am

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#23 2012-11-18 8:06am

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You know what I just noticed... You make stupid threads!!! All your threads are to diss new skool. Can't knock it till you try it.or to start trouble. Now I don't have cable tv so yes this is my entertament but damn dude how about you ride your bike. Stop beaching and go ride.


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#24 2012-11-18 1:52pm

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TheKoolKids wrote:

You know what I just noticed... You make stupid threads!!! All your threads are to diss new skool. Can't knock it till you try it.or to start trouble. Now I don't have cable tv so yes this is my entertament but damn dude how about you ride your bike. Stop beaching and go ride.

Not sure which threads you've been reading, but they must be different than the ones I've been reading....

Having said that, I ride and love NS but also love OS and relatively speaking NS bikes do look rather similar by comparison.   PJC Racing is right - there are differences between NS rides, but they're subtle, and bikes in general have come a long way since when some of us began riding (mid-80s).

I don't think anybody is "beaching."  Just...discussing.

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#25 2012-11-18 2:16pm

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Re: New school paint and graphics....a pondering

TheKoolKids wrote:

You know what I just noticed... You make stupid threads!!! All your threads are to diss new skool. Can't knock it till you try it.or to start trouble. Now I don't have cable tv so yes this is my entertament but damn dude how about you ride your bike. Stop beaching and go ride.

You sir have issues, and for someone who does not have cable television you should be a brilliant writer and speller, you fail miserably at both to the point that your posts are painful.  Your ignorance and inner hate cant see anything for what it is.  This thread, as are all my thread, is a discussion, not a bashing.   Unlike yourself I like to discuss BMX on these forums, the good and the bad, not just troll, smoke weed, and broadcast to the world how stupid you really are as you take a dump.

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