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#1 2012-11-08 6:56pm

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2013 rule changes..

Main thing I see is no clips for novices anymore.  And racing 6 single point races to qualify for state plates.

New rules for 2013
Striders and Girls

*The Strider Class at Nationals will now be for ages 4 and under. They want every track to offer the Strider classes but at the Nationals the ages will be 4yrs and younger.

*Expert Girls will now have the option to race in the Expert class of their age group, only at single point races. Girls need to make the choice before motos are posted.

*Girls and Girl
Cruisers will be broken down into more age groups. They haven't decided on the exact groups yet but they will be cutting down the gaps. They promise to have that figured out shortly.

*There will now be a 7 and Under Cruiser class.

*Striders can have dual memberships. They can race Strider and also race class.

The Open Wheel has Arrived

*Mixed Open and Open classes are now "Open Wheel." Cruisers and 20 inch bike will against each other in these races. Even at Nationals this Open Wheel racing will now be the norm.

*Open age classes at Nationals will change. More age groups will be added for the sake of the older riders

Changes for State/Redline Cup

*The Redline Cup Championship Series will now count a riders best two scores + the races from the finals weekend. SCR finals are now double state points.

*The State Championship Series - If a state has 7 or more tracks they will count the best four SCR scores + the finals. This applies to us in Florida.

*SCR Locals: a rider must compete in 6 single point races in order to be eligible for a State/Provincial award. Riders can earn an additional point for each single point race above the full amount (6 races +4 bonus points). Bonus goes up to a maximum of four points.

*SCR Plates: Novice and Intermediate riders will be competing for their own number plate (Green/white plates) separate from the Expert riders (Blue/White plates).

Rider Advancement Changes

*Riders moving from Novice to Intermediate will now need 10 wins. This applies to males or females. Novices were moving up way too fast.

*Riders moving from Intermediate to Expert will now need 20 wins. Intermediates were moving up way too slow. This was done to maintain rider retention. Also, come January 1st, any Inter who has 20-24 wins will be reset to 19. Their very next win will move them up.

No More Clips for Novices!

*No more Novice riders on clips (Regardless of age)! This is perhaps the biggest news of the report. USA BMX says that riders are clipping in before they properly learn how to ride. This is a big change but in the end it will produce better, safer and more skilled riders. If riders insist on wearing clips they can move up to intermediate to do so.

*Backpack prizes will be awarded to both Green and Blue plated riders.

Tweaks for the Grands

*Riders MUST have 6 scores plus race the Grands in order to be eligible for a NAG plate.

*NAG plates will now be available for amateur boys ranked #1-20. NAG jackets will still be for #1-10.

The changes really are big. The tracks and riders had spoken and many were afraid that their voices might not be heard but fret not! USA BMX has gone over and above the call of duty in making these dramatic changes which will no doubt excite a lot of people. They deserve a ton of credit for responding so quickly to the demands of their customers.


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#2 2012-11-08 7:03pm

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I like the no clips, I hate seeing so many kids falling in staging, or around the track, or that didn't unclip in a crash.  If they are good enough to be clipped, the are good enough to be inter.  If not, they have more to learn.  My son has pleaded with me all year for them.  I want him to gain some skills first.  He has beaten several kids that were using them while riding flats.  I like the open wheel class also.  I'm looking forward to Grands and the 2013 season!

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#3 2012-11-08 7:16pm

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

As a 28 novice i wouldve like to have seen a under 18 rule on it.  But as long as everyone on the gate abides by it, i'm fine with it.  It also looks like they are trying to stop guys from just racing state/redline/nats in class by the new 6 race min.


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#4 2012-11-09 5:56am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

Therealpoorboy wrote:

As a 28 novice i wouldve like to have seen a under 18 rule on it.  But as long as everyone on the gate abides by it, i'm fine with it.  It also looks like they are trying to stop guys from just racing state/redline/nats in class by the new 6 race min.

That seems like a good idea too.  That was my plan next year in class though, Ha Ha.Just hit some Nats, state and RL cup on the 20.   I only raced cruiser this year and planned racing 41 novice 2013.  I am racing 41 novice at grands and ROC.  My first race on 20 was two weeks ago.  I guess now I will be riding it every chance that I get.  I still like my Cruiser more though!  The clips were stupid for so many kids.  I was picking 2-3 kids up at every big race.  I had a guy yelling at me at the Redline Central, because his kid fell next to me near staging.  He wanted me to say sorry to his kid! I guess I was supposed to catch him?  WTF! it was his fault that his 6 yr old novice fell, the kid didn't have the balance or ability to get unclipped.  I like riding flats, but may try racing clipped o few races in cruiser.

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#5 2012-11-09 6:05am

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Im in the same boat as far as class goes, I was looking forward to just doing the major's on the 20.  This was my first year back and I raced cru.  I went clipped in about 3 months after my return and it really is nice for your feet to feel solid and was the most noticable difference in getting me closer to the fast guys. I mean it made like a 2-3 bike difference down the first straight.


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#6 2012-11-09 7:19am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

Therealpoorboy wrote:

As a 28 novice i wouldve like to have seen a under 18 rule on it.  But as long as everyone on the gate abides by it, i'm fine with it.  It also looks like they are trying to stop guys from just racing state/redline/nats in class by the new 6 race min.

Personally, I think they are being a bit heavy handed and failing to address the issue completely. I do agree that there is too much emphasis on parents getting their kids on clipless before they really can ride a bike. Anyone who needs a parent to hold their back tire has no business clipping in. Despite what some believe, there is a learning curve to clipless and when I first got on them in September I fell a few times. Mostly because I wasn't used to twisting my foot to get off my bike. I also struggled early with getting setup in the gate, but the same was true when I first started in January with flats/Vans.

My biggest issue with it though is that it fails to take into account how long it can take to turn Intermediate for us grown dudes. At our track and other tracks that I have visited you almost never have a gate of Novices in either 36-40 or 41+. Most weeks I wind up racing against ROC/RL/NAG experts or at least State champions and they are usually intermediates. So trying to pick up 8 (now going to be 10) wins is much more difficult. Basically I have to be able to beat intermediates seven more times so that I can turn intermediate. Oh, and I have to do on flats. So on a typical race night with four or five guys in my gate I'll be the only one not wearing clips. Basically, now I'll rarely make mains at local races and almost no chance to take a win.

Not even to mention that it doesn't address novices riding cruiser. Whether it's guys who ride cruiser currently and are going to ride class on occasion or guys who are novices in class who want to move to a cruiser. Basically it's okay to wear clipless for a day one rider in cruiser, but not class. Or what about guys coming from XC or downhill who wear clips? Since they are technically novices but probably have years of experience with clipless pedals.

I wouldn't have an issue if they went with 18 and under. I wouldn't even have an issue if they said 18 and under intermediates and no clips for 12 and under period. But grown dudes? Really? We aren't getting injured because of clipping in, we get injured because we're old and break easier. I may have to make the decision whether or not to turn intermediate after Grands. I wanted to do it with wins, but may have to just reclass so that I can stay up with my class.


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#7 2012-11-09 7:39am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

Even if your a novice at a single point and you get stuck with inter's you can then run clips,  because that class is called Int.  The only time youll have to have flats is if it is a novice gate.  Thats my take on it.

But again I agree a age line wouldve been a better approach.


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#8 2012-11-09 6:25pm

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If you can run clips, you aren't really a novice.  If you want to run them, you can go straight to intermediate.  A guy coming from xc or downhill has the skill to race inter.

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#9 2012-11-10 5:37am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

GENERATORSHOVEL wrote:

If you can run clips, you aren't really a novice.  If you want to run them, you can go straight to intermediate.  A guy coming from xc or downhill has the skill to race inter.

So I started racing in January, worked my butt off to get some skills although certainly not as much as someone who has been racing for two or three years. Finally got to the point where I could race with my class (41+ novice) and pick up a win in August. Since then I have managed to pick up two more wins. In September I put clipless on my bike and learned to clip in without falling over.

So while I would say that I have made improvements in the last three months, I would hardly say that adding one element to my game now qualifies me to be intermediate. I still cannot even begin to run with most of those guys. I do okay running my class at my local track, but still have yet to make a main at a Nationals.

I certainly understand addressing this issue for kids who sign up in May and want to put clipless on after a couple of weeks. If you struggle standing in the gate or have to one (sometimes two) foot your starts, you have no business on clips. While I can see where a 13n might not be able to make a good decision there most people over 30 probably have a bit more on the ball. I mean if you can manual a rhythm section are you not a novice? If you can jump a table do you have to move up as well? That would mean a freestyle rider would probably get screwed if they decided to start racing.

Basically, it comes down to moving people up without them really developing as a rider. Sure, I can runs clipless, but I can't be competitive as an intermediate yet. I can't jump, I can't manual and I can't beat guys who have been racing only for Nats trophies as a novice for five years. My goal was to move up by the end of my second year. Eight wins seemed very achievable. Ten makes that a little harder. Mostly because I almost always race out of class. I have no problem with forcing the sandbaggers to move up or move out. But this blanket rule really beats up those of us who have busted our butt to get where we're at and want to progress. I wanted to earn my way there, not be pushed into it.


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#10 2012-11-10 5:54am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

I would agree that clips dont make you an inter.  I spent $30 on my wood and hinges to make my own stumpy practice gate.  I go out and hit 30-50 gates a week.  But im lucky to make it to the track once every 2 weeks.  So any advantage I have is usually negated by the first jump.  But I'm hoping the rule will bump those true sandbaggers out and maybe the class and sport will be better off in the long run.


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#11 2012-11-10 6:01am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

Therealpoorboy wrote:

I would agree that clips dont make you an inter.  I spent $30 on my wood and hinges to make my own stumpy practice gate.  I go out and hit 30-50 gates a week.  But im lucky to make it to the track once every 2 weeks.  So any advantage I have is usually negated by the first jump.  But I'm hoping the rule will bump those true sandbaggers out and maybe the class and sport will be better off in the long run.

+1 smile

I'd go on to add that there are a few intermediates who scare the crap out of me when they race. Sketchy doesn't even begin to describe them.


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#12 2012-11-10 6:47am

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Therealpoorboy wrote:

I would agree that clips dont make you an inter.  I spent $30 on my wood and hinges to make my own stumpy practice gate.  I go out and hit 30-50 gates a week.  But im lucky to make it to the track once every 2 weeks.  So any advantage I have is usually negated by the first jump.  But I'm hoping the rule will bump those true sandbaggers out and maybe the class and sport will be better off in the long run.

On a national level, it's just that, the best National riders are going to compete there.  I know guys who race expert that will not run cruiser at a NAT, because they struggle to make the main, and most likely they won't. Those clips aren't really giving you an advantage, if you can't manual or jump.  You should learn how without them.  There are so many kids that think they need to be clipped to jump or bunny hop even, they are not learning. What I am saying is that yes if you can manual an entire section, you have the skill to race inter.  If you are good enough (have the skills already developed) and can run clips proficiently, you aren,t a novice.  I am going to race Novice a few times but, my goal is to be able to ride expert, not be in a beginners class.  I am 41 and  was a freestyle rider as a kid not a racer, but at our local track I am way faster than any of the Dads that are starting out.  Am I a novice on a 20? Yes, technically I can run that class, I have only had one race on 20.  Am I a beginner  rider, no.  I do think the added race rule change will help move guys up who are sandbagging.  I plan on moving to  inter before June wether I get 10 wins or not.  I want to get a little more comfortable on a 20, I like my cruiser much more.

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#13 2012-11-10 6:48am

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This is only my first year racing cruiser also.

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#14 2012-11-10 7:13am

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And, I would rather lose racing experts or be in the mix with inters than win 10 races in novice.

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#15 2012-11-10 8:37am

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I agree on some of your comments. I have no intention of hanging on to my novice status any longer than it takes me to get the wins and more importantly, the track speed/skills. I think if it was my fifth year as a novice I would probably reconsider as to whether this is my sport or not. I would expect to get a nickname like bagman or sandy. Strange that there isn't the same stigma attached to riders at the intermediate level as well. Really? Six years as an intermediate?

As USABMX is presenting this as rider retention I don't see as where clips are a factor. Are we losing 500+ riders a year because of their pedals? Is it a safety issue with 12 and under. Certainly. If you cannot stand in the gate on flats you cannot stand in the gate on clipless. But to use the logic of class determining skill, why don't the pros have to hit the pro section? Why don't experts have to turn pro after 25 wins? These are also lines in the sand that can be argued. Wins does not necessarily equal skill. Cory Nastazio is a pro dirt jumper but races intermediate in BMX? Granted he isn't chasing hardware but he slays every moto he gets in. May only race once a year, but pretty much wins every time.

Most guys our age don't make the decision to use clipless until they feel they have enough skill to do so. We also don't go around bumping and shoving around the track. We have jobs, families, health to think about. We do this for fun. So like I said, I don't have the skill to manual yet. I don't have the skill to land a jump yet. But those take longer to develop than putting on shoes and getting feet on pedals. Four man gates for novices makes about as much sense and still really doesn't address rider development. The more track time you get, the more you improve. Not wins, real work on a track.

True, I can reclass and still lose to the same guys I lose to every week. But some people, myself included, would like to earn our way up, not just move up. If you feel you can race as an intermediate, jump on it. I still have some work to do so it isn't going to happen right now. Next June? Maybe.


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#16 2012-11-10 9:01am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

I'm still waiting to hear what they're going to do with 22" wheeled bikes, like the standard or S&M.


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#17 2012-11-10 9:06am

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That's another one where they can't come down on one side or the other without a debate. Make them cruisers? But it doesn't have 24" or larger wheels. Make them class bikes? Unfair advantage with wheel size. Create a new class for them? You're attempting to get rid of them due to low rider count. Lose, lose, lose. Ah, mixed open is the answer. neutral


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#18 2012-11-10 9:17am

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Re: 2013 rule changes..

Huryupanbuy wrote:

I'm still waiting to hear what they're going to do with 22" wheeled bikes, like the standard or S&M.

Open class now has no wheel limits, anything flies.


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#19 2012-11-10 11:59am

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Yeah, I almost built a 22 to race in cruiser, because I thought anything over 20 was considered cruiser.  I would still like to have a Standard 22, to go with my 24 and 26!  6 years as an inter is crazy.  Turning pro is different, you have to compete on a National level.  Guys can stay expert and still do it as a hobby and have fun.  I am having the best years of my life racing with my kids and our entire local track family.  Any of you guys going to Grands?

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#20 2012-11-10 1:23pm

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Yeah, buddy, it's only an hour and a half up the turnpike. Wouldn't miss the biggest race on Earth.


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#21 2012-11-10 5:33pm

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I ride flats, although I'm pretty OCD about finding the right combination of shoe/pedal so I get the grip I want.  My current race shoes make me look like Herman Munster, but I love 'em.  All things being equal, I'm sure clips provide an advantage, but all things are almost never equal in the novice class.

I'm sort of relieved that I won't have to deal with other novices riding clips, but as jasvanek noted, it's pretty much an academic point when you're a 41+ novice.  In my experience, the software that determines the classes seems to prioritize age over experience.  Recently I was grouped with a 48 expert, 41 intermediate, and 16 expert, rather than with three other novices in their 20s and 30s who were also racing class bikes.  Every time I have raced novices, I've been the oldest, usually by 10+ years.  So either I'm racing guys around my age who have more experience, or I'm racing other novices who are younger, more fearless, and more physically resilient.  Either way, I don't really mind.  I like racing more experienced riders because I feel safer in close quarters with them and because it forces me to up my game.  I like racing younger novices because I'm more competitive in those circumstances, and it's fun when the race is close.

As for getting 10 wins, that seems a long way off for me.  One of the guys I started out with is 31.  I used to beat him pretty regularly in gate practice.  Now he's motivated and training hard, and he's beat me in every moto we've raced together for the last month.  It's cool, though, he learns something and then teaches me how to do it.  He's already jumping the small table top at the track, and we're both starting to manual.  I'm definitely progressing faster thanks to him, although I'm not winning more because his learning curve is steeper than mine.   Still, you never know.  I've seen guys who race in a certain class for a while suddenly catch fire and start winning week after week.  I'm pretty confident I'll start getting results at some point.

At the end of the day, I'm not doing this for a living.  For me, it's about quality time with the boy, getting some exercise, and having fun.  Still, I have my dignity, and the desire to avoid the embarrassment of being stuck in the novice class for a conspicuously long time is a powerful motivator.


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#22 2012-11-10 7:56pm

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@ProThunder4 I hear you on the Motomaker software. Tonight I was with 2 experts 1 girl expert and an intermediate. Pretty typical for a race night at the local track. So 10 wins will probably have to come from State Series, Redline and the odd double or triple point that draws the five of us novices to the track on the same day. Even then it's not a slam dunk. It can be anybody's race on any given day.

That 31yo sounds like a cool dude to ride with. Wish we had more 30+ riders like that. Might get some of the others out of the bleachers and on a bike.


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#23 2012-11-11 6:57am

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jasvanek wrote:

Yeah, buddy, it's only an hour and a half up the turnpike. Wouldn't miss the biggest race on Earth.

See you there.

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#24 2012-11-11 7:33am

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jasvanek wrote:

Therealpoorboy wrote:

As a 28 novice i wouldve like to have seen a under 18 rule on it.  But as long as everyone on the gate abides by it, i'm fine with it.  It also looks like they are trying to stop guys from just racing state/redline/nats in class by the new 6 race min.

Personally, I think they are being a bit heavy handed and failing to address the issue completely. I do agree that there is too much emphasis on parents getting their kids on clipless before they really can ride a bike. Anyone who needs a parent to hold their back tire has no business clipping in. Despite what some believe, there is a learning curve to clipless and when I first got on them in September I fell a few times. Mostly because I wasn't used to twisting my foot to get off my bike. I also struggled early with getting setup in the gate, but the same was true when I first started in January with flats/Vans.

My biggest issue with it though is that it fails to take into account how long it can take to turn Intermediate for us grown dudes. At our track and other tracks that I have visited you almost never have a gate of Novices in either 36-40 or 41+. Most weeks I wind up racing against ROC/RL/NAG experts or at least State champions and they are usually intermediates. So trying to pick up 8 (now going to be 10) wins is much more difficult. Basically I have to be able to beat intermediates seven more times so that I can turn intermediate. Oh, and I have to do on flats. So on a typical race night with four or five guys in my gate I'll be the only one not wearing clips. Basically, now I'll rarely make mains at local races and almost no chance to take a win.

Not even to mention that it doesn't address novices riding cruiser. Whether it's guys who ride cruiser currently and are going to ride class on occasion or guys who are novices in class who want to move to a cruiser. Basically it's okay to wear clipless for a day one rider in cruiser, but not class. Or what about guys coming from XC or downhill who wear clips? Since they are technically novices but probably have years of experience with clipless pedals.

I wouldn't have an issue if they went with 18 and under. I wouldn't even have an issue if they said 18 and under intermediates and no clips for 12 and under period. But grown dudes? Really? We aren't getting injured because of clipping in, we get injured because we're old and break easier. I may have to make the decision whether or not to turn intermediate after Grands. I wanted to do it with wins, but may have to just reclass so that I can stay up with my class.

Its pretty simple, you want to run clipless... self move-up.

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#25 2012-11-11 8:11am

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I have raced my 22" in 20 class at the local track. It was only me and one other guy and he was an older novice. I manual everything I have enough breath to get speed for. lol, I race the 30 inter class. Just reclassified after 10 years gone from the scene so I'm diggin it. I have yet to race in cruiser class but I'd like to see who's faster for sure. Normally I just race my 20", but the first night I raced my 22" in 20" class I won.

And Mixed wheeled open is probably the best spot for the 22's for right now in my opinion.


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