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#1 2012-03-02 6:36pm

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S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

I was on the fence about this bike. I have 3 S&M's myself, I was going to hold out for a few months on my last build for this bike because it just sounds fun to ride. Not to mention I dont own a Holmes, which to me is the " must have " bike for a S&M lover. But after really thinking about it, I decided to build another Standard 125R, this time a 24. But I hope Im not kicking myself in 3 or 4 months when this bike comes out. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this bike.......smile

Funny.....I forgot what I posted right here. No Standard, Holmes 22 almost done.lolbig_smile

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#2 2012-03-02 6:39pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

It all depends on what you like, personally I would have waited to get the Holmes. But that's just me. I'm sure you'll build a great bike either way!


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#3 2012-03-02 6:40pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

Link?


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#4 2012-03-02 6:43pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

Well it came down to S&M loyalty for me. Yes I love S&M bikes, they just happen to be my favorite brand with Standard a close second place. And it was hard to not want a Holmes, but I really had to decide based on what I would use more, so the 125R 24 in translucent green just seemed the right bike to buy. I have to admit that even though rims and tires would be around for them, well at least for a while, it might be something that could die out and I didnt want to be left holding the bag buying tires a year or two later from collectors for $100 plus each. I guess they will be made in yelloow, black and red, but nothing certain on chrome. I would have liked a chrome with red stickers if possible.


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#5 2012-03-02 6:45pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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Link?

Here are a few:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.p … 7#p3289107
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showth … ost3752477

Probably more out there...

I'll be watching.  I'm a 22 fan.  smile


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#6 2012-03-02 6:46pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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Link?

I dont know of one, I spent about 15 to 20 mins talking to a rep yesterday about the bike. He said the prototype was done and in the breakroom. But a few tweaks needed to be made on geometry first. They had rims and tires being made by Revenge I think......I actually forgot if that was the right company:rolleyes:

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#7 2012-03-02 7:01pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

I'm down for one!

Talked to McKinney last week and he was building up wheel sets for the prototypes. Complete wheels and tires from revenge are on the way. These are the keys components to the whole deal. S&M is going to be the Co that catapults the 22" .

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f61/22 … 1/index15/


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#8 2012-03-02 7:06pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

Seriously? 2 inches?  I think they need to worry about dialing in 24" machines and maybe offering more rims tires and cruiser friendly parts.


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#9 2012-03-02 7:12pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

THE FUN PALACE wrote:

It all depends on what you like, personally I would have waited to get the Holmes. But that's just me. I'm sure you'll build a great bike either way!

+1. No doubt He will build another great bike, but waiting and build a 22" S&M would be Sick!!


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#10 2012-03-02 7:14pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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Seriously? 2 inches?  I think they need to worry about dialing in 24" machines and maybe offering more rims tires and cruiser friendly parts.

Ever tried one? They do feel different.

You MTB guys heard of a 69er?  No, not that.  tongue  A 29" front wheel and 26" rear.  I wonder what a 02er would be like... 22" front and 20" rear.  Dirt jump tail whip dream!  lol


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#11 2012-03-02 7:14pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

you know you want 2 more inches. Don't lie.


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#12 2012-03-02 7:14pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

I've asked this before, right around the time whatever that company was that put out the first 22" complete...

Why?


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#13 2012-03-02 7:18pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

Sshhhh I'd love 4 more inches.    Be a solid 5!

It's cool that they want to do 22" and bike is a bike, rip it up.but I'm just disappointed that we have to go to different sizes to make advances in Bmx.


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#14 2012-03-02 7:18pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

FullTwisting wrote:

Roy Munson wrote:

Seriously? 2 inches?  I think they need to worry about dialing in 24" machines and maybe offering more rims tires and cruiser friendly parts.

Ever tried one? They do feel different.

You MTB guys heard of a 69er?  No, not that.  tongue  A 29" front wheel and 26" rear.  I wonder what a 02er would be like... 22" front and 20" rear.  Dirt jump tail whip dream!  lol

Then why not throw an 18" rear wheel on a 20"?


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#15 2012-03-02 7:30pm

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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FullTwisting wrote:

Roy Munson wrote:

Seriously? 2 inches?  I think they need to worry about dialing in 24" machines and maybe offering more rims tires and cruiser friendly parts.

Ever tried one? They do feel different.

You MTB guys heard of a 69er?  No, not that.  tongue  A 29" front wheel and 26" rear.  I wonder what a 02er would be like... 22" front and 20" rear.  Dirt jump tail whip dream!  lol

Then why not throw an 18" rear wheel on a 20"?

Well, 'cause 20/22 rolls over terrain better than an 18/20 would.  Depends I guess on how groomed the surface is.  But I was just throwing the 20/22 thing out there for fun.  For this hypothetical setup, it would be easy to put a 22" fork on a 20 and dive in.  Then you're only in it for one wheel, a tire and fork.  smile  (And a pretty slack front end lol)

From what I've seen, many of the riders that like the 22 have been dirt jumpers.  I suspect that's the market that S&M is targeting.  It makes sense to me.   It rolls faster, but is still pretty agile.


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#16 2012-03-05 8:40am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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. . . .but I'm just disappointed that we have to go to different sizes to make advances in Bmx.

whatever dude ! every other thing has been changed/modified/re-designed/etc on BMX bikes since the 1970's EXCEPT the 20" wheel.   

if you don't think 2" is a big deal, trying riding 18"s !   or try to a 540 tailtap on 24"s.  (yes it can be done, but it feels cumbersome compared to 20, whether a new school 24 or not).  22 wheels really do hit that middle path. i've been riding them for 3 years now. 

i suspect a lot of other big names will be riding them too.  might as well catch the first wave !

kevin jones posted this on facebook a few weeks ago. his custom 22" frame that a friend of his made.  he also bought a pair of the custom batch of 22" Velocity rims that I have (the batch that the Texas 22 crew got made).

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#17 2012-03-05 8:44am

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Stoner71 wrote:

. . . . Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this bike.......smile

It'll be sick!!  I already ordered the 22" fork.


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#18 2012-03-05 8:54am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

First i heard of this. For me, i think i will pass. If the 22" parts were readily available from more than one company, id consider but you got to wounder, if ya build it and tear up your tires and rims a year or so down the road, how easy would it be to get replaced? Especially if the rims and tires are a limited run like lots of other S&M stuff. Replacement 22" stuff will be limited and expensive. I love S&M but im just not sure if this is a good idea. Hope im proven wrong though smile


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#19 2012-03-05 8:55am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

I really want a 22".  I would buy an S&M 22" before I bought another brand, for sure.  It all depends on whether I have the money or not when it's released.


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#20 2012-03-05 9:08am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

So, aside from frame and fork, the only 22" specific parts are going to be tires, tubes and rims. Am I missing something? In all my years of riding, road, mtn bike, and now bmx, I've only destroyed one rim, and it was doing something really stupid. So if one were to purchase a pair of extra rims, maybe a few extra tires, and a dozen tubes, they'd be set for a long, long time. Depends of course on tire wear, pinch flats, and what type of abuse they put the bike through.

If this catches on, then there is no real worry. Besides, the learning curve for those who really would damage the rims (I am guessing rears would be more susceptible to damage) would be over before rims/tires/tubes would be unavailable. Talking of course about current riders.

Regardless, it is too small for me, and I'm done buying BMX bikes for now. Unless it is to move my kids to the next size...


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#21 2012-03-05 9:18am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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First i heard of this. For me, i think i will pass. If the 22" parts were readily available from more than one company, id consider but you got to wounder, if ya build it and tear up your tires and rims a year or so down the road, how easy would it be to get replaced? Especially if the rims and tires are a limited run like lots of other S&M stuff. Replacement 22" stuff will be limited and expensive. I love S&M but im just not sure if this is a good idea. Hope im proven wrong though smile

rims are not that hard to get made.  jason webb (webbco bikes) got a batch of 22" rims made by Velocity.  vernon and i have a stack of them.



tires, yes, are more of a challenge. but they exist right now and are available on ebay UK:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIRHANA-22-IN … 336c28c234
granted, some of these Pirhana tires (also labeled "Meghna") are not of the quality level as Odyssey, Animal, KHE, etc. but a friend of mine's been riding a pair for over a year.   

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae24/mistaspoon/bike%20bits/IMG_1747tread.jpg

a couple of pairs of my Velocity rims with Meghna tires....
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh138/upsetbmx/Velocity22rimsandtires--FOUR.jpg

if you were ever truly stuck, you could run these youth 22" mtb tires:
http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-MTB-Tire- … amp;sr=1-2
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BVJhpohmL._SS500_.jpg

tubes are readily available on Amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Bicycle-T … amp;sr=8-6
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PFVJmfhkL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


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#22 2012-03-05 9:25am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

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So, aside from frame and fork, the only 22" specific parts are going to be tires, tubes and rims. Am I missing something? In all my years of riding, road, mtn bike, and now bmx, I've only destroyed one rim, and it was doing something really stupid. So if one were to purchase a pair of extra rims, maybe a few extra tires, and a dozen tubes, they'd be set for a long, long time. Depends of course on tire wear, pinch flats, and what type of abuse they put the bike through.

If this catches on, then there is no real worry. Besides, the learning curve for those who really would damage the rims (I am guessing rears would be more susceptible to damage) would be over before rims/tires/tubes would be unavailable. Talking of course about current riders.

Regardless, it is too small for me, and I'm done buying BMX bikes for now. Unless it is to move my kids to the next size...

Ive destroyed only a handful of rims but it does happen. I just had to replace a rim that had a big hop from jumping at the track. Sometimes its not even because your riding hard. My buddy Steve just destroyed a Sun BFR last week. His little son drifted his bike into his. The little guys pedal went into his front wheel spokes and it bent the rim, gave it a hop, and ripped 5 spokes out. I also wouldn't want to build a bike and have buy years worth of replacement parts right off the bat.
Im not totally against the project, i just do not think its for me. smile Like i said, i love S&M, thats all i ride now. It seems a risk for them but i guess it takes risks in business and i hope it sells for em. If 22" did catch on, i may be down for one. Between 20" & 24" i seem to be satisfied.

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#23 2012-03-05 9:49am

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Florida Von wrote:

First i heard of this. For me, i think i will pass. If the 22" parts were readily available from more than one company, id consider but you got to wounder, if ya build it and tear up your tires and rims a year or so down the road, how easy would it be to get replaced? Especially if the rims and tires are a limited run like lots of other S&M stuff. Replacement 22" stuff will be limited and expensive. I love S&M but im just not sure if this is a good idea. Hope im proven wrong though smile

rims are not that hard to get made.  jason webb (webbco bikes) got a batch of 22" rims made by Velocity.  vernon and i have a stack of them.



tires, yes, are more of a challenge. but they exist right now and are available on ebay UK:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIRHANA-22-IN … 336c28c234
granted, some of these Pirhana tires (also labeled "Meghna") are not of the quality level as Odyssey, Animal, KHE, etc. but a friend of mine's been riding a pair for over a year.   

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae24 … 7tread.jpg

a couple of pairs of my Velocity rims with Meghna tires....
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh13 … --FOUR.jpg

if you were ever truly stuck, you could run these youth 22" mtb tires:
http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-MTB-Tire- … amp;sr=1-2
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/3 … SS500_.jpg

tubes are readily available on Amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Bicycle-T … amp;sr=8-6
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 … AA300_.jpg

Seems one could also run the 22" rim from the youth Mtn bike. Or are they weaker than an adult would need?


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#24 2012-03-05 9:56am

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Re: S&M fans, who's gonna buy the new 22" Holmes?

muphasta wrote:

. . .
. . . and I'm done buying BMX bikes for now. Unless it is to move my kids to the next size...

That's a very good point, re: not just kids and BMX, but even more so, kids and small mtb's. It seems like parents constantly have this weird point in time where their kids go from a 20" mtb to a 24" mtb and the 24" mtb is way too big while the 20"mtb has gotten too small.   

20" wheels just aren't that great for bumpy cross-country mtb trails in the first place, so it might make sense to make 22"MTB the entry-bike beginner kids' mtb.

i posed this question over on mtbr:
http://forums.mtbr.com/families-riding- … 24075.html

i'm not a parent... but it seems like the feedback is of two kinds. the parents who are burned out on constantly buying new sized things for a growing child and therefore think 'whatever he/she can adapt'... versus the parent who wants their kid to have the perfectly sized bike....


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#25 2012-03-06 2:41pm

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