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Its not just keywords, they put it right in the title!  I Redline Proline in aluminum with a new logos, and threadless headset, is not a freaking old school bike!

Kid718 wrote:

XJguy wrote:

Its not just keywords, they put it right in the title!  I Redline Proline in aluminum with a new logos, and threadless headset, is not a freaking old school bike!

It's all relative bro.  To a 23 year old dude, his 1999 GT performer is old school.  To him, an 87 performer is franking ancient history.  Kid's today look at 80's bmx the was we look at 60's sting rays.  Relics.  The terms old and new is relative.

I have to disagree....you grab an 80s "muscle car" and its not a classic, no matter what, maybe in another 20 years.  60s and 70s are the earliest they consoider classic.   You cant consider 90s old school; so to a 5 year old a bike from 2007 is old school.

Jon1971 wrote:

Who has the popcorn?

**Passes some popcorn from my bowl**

Kid718 wrote:

XJguy wrote:

Kid718 wrote:

It's all relative bro.  To a 23 year old dude, his 1999 GT performer is old school.  To him, an 87 performer is franking ancient history.  Kid's today look at 80's bmx the was we look at 60's sting rays.  Relics.  The terms old and new is relative.

I have to disagree....you grab an 80s "muscle car" and its not a classic, no matter what, maybe in another 20 years.  60s and 70s are the earliest they consoider classic.   You cant consider 90s old school; so to a 5 year old a bike from 2007 is old school.

Exacty.  To a 5 year old, a 2007 is old.  To my 95 year old grandmother, an 86 Haro master is not old.  Again, it's relative.

My grandmother still wears clothing she had in 86

Also, you are showing your opinions again by ruling that mid 80's muscle cars are not classics.  That is YOUR opinion.

Actually no its not my opinion, try to get classic car insurance, try to enter a classic car contest, or show.....cut off is usually 75.

Its really not relative.  Its a definition.

Something can be old to you, that does not make it old school.    A 43 year old dude hocking his crap on ebay calling it old school when it was made in 1999 is unacceptable.

I could see one condition that an relatively new item would be old school, that would be with technology, it changes so fast that an Ipod first gen, though not that old, really is old school, but that was its origin, not like BMX that started decades ago.

Hmm. Not sure eBay is an insurance company or car contest, but, a mechanism to make folks money.

Like it, love it, or leave it. Simple enough.

XJguy wrote:

I check ebay as we all do quite often, and I am so annoyed with all these opportunists attaching the tag 'Old School' to every f*cking item no matter what it is and from what decade......freaking dishonest money grubbing crooks.   

I dont know about all of you but old school must sport a quill stem at the least and or be from the 80s; 90s, is mid; 2000's is present....thats how I see it.

tim1218 wrote:

Jon1971 wrote:

Who has the popcorn?

**Passes some popcorn from my bowl**

Stop franking comparing kids bikes to cars....   it's not the same.

And...   what Showboat Booter said. 

Kid718 wrote:

Classic car insurance requires the car to be 20 years old.  So a 1992 qualifies.  Also, insurance companies themselves cannot exactly define old

If you cannot grasp the relativism of time and age, I cannot make you understand it.  What will we call a 2010 bike in 30 years?  New school?  No, it will be old school....along with everything that came before it.

Now people who put Hutch/GT/Redline in the title of their Huffy auction...that annoys me.

Yep here in MN. a car is considered a classic when it is 20 years old and is eligible for a collector plate.

XJ - I don't think anyone disagrees that the misused keywords are BS on the sellers parts. But there is absolutely no agreed on dating for what constitutes old/mid/new school.

You said it's got to be an 80s bike to be considered old school, but I've seen lots of people who say it's only old school up to 85. In 86 it becomes mid school. I've seen even more arguing over the change from midschool to new school (is it 2002, 2004, 2007, who knows???). The point is, until everyone gets on board with my naming conventions, people are going to argue about how old school is defined. And to someone younger, a 99 bike might be old school.

In regards to the classic car example, cars have been around over 100 years. BMX bikes have been around since 1974, if I'm correct. Before that it was kids on muscle bikes racing each other. You're comparing a hobby that A - has been around more than twice as long and B - had the terminology handed down by show runners and magazine writers before the days of the internet and a million opinions on what the rules should be.

Now, since it has yet to be ratified, I'll re-present my suggestions:

Anything up to 1973 is Pre-School
1974-1985 race bikes is Old School
1982-1994 threaded freestyle bikes is Old School Freestyle.
1986-1994 threaded race bikes is Late-Old School
1995-2003 is Mid School
2004-2012 (maybe later) is New School
The next "evolution" or stage (possibly Bob Haro's new Ikonix bike, who knows?) will be College
Following that will be Graduate School
And after that will be After School
There will be a brief foray a few years later known as Night School
Once Night School has run it's course we will all be using jet packs and no one will use bikes on the ground because the Earth's surface will be too toxic to get within 30 feet of anyway.

XJguy wrote:

Kid718 wrote:

Classic car insurance requires the car to be 20 years old.  So a 1992 qualifies.  Also, insurance companies themselves cannot exactly define old

If you cannot grasp the relativism of time and age, I cannot make you understand it.  What will we call a 2010 bike in 30 years?  New school?  No, it will be old school....along with everything that came before it.

Now people who put Hutch/GT/Redline in the title of their Huffy auction...that annoys me.

If the technology that you can find in a 2010 bike is unchanged in 30 years, then it is not old school, its just old.  Youre missing the the point of what "old school" means.

No, I get what you're saying, and I think you are wrong.   I would say that every given person would think of their own youth as their own personal old school.  The late 80's - early 90's are my old school.  Some members here who have me beat by ten years would argue otherwise.  Again, relative.

I don't buy into your theory that technology divides epochs when it comes to era's of bmx.  At least when discussing a word like "oldschool".

Last edited by Kid718 (2012-07-03 7:01pm)