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#1 2012-06-13 4:35pm

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So, flat has never been something I had done.  I didn't mess with it growing up at all.  Long story short, I am looking to learn the basics.  Just some stuff to start with, to see if I have ANY feel for it.

I have a 97 platform Sabbath already built, that just needs a few tweaks to have it flat ready.  However, I was wondering if an older bike is really my best bet to start learning.

Should I start with something newer?  Any new build would require selling the sabbath to fund.  And would be S&M based.  So probably an intrikat.

Anyway, should I try learning on the sabbath, or something new?

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#2 2012-06-13 5:44pm

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Should I start with something newer?  Any new build would require selling the sabbath to fund.  And would be S&M based.  So probably an intrikat.

Yes--newer flat bikes are so much easier to manipulate--shorter wheelbase, shorter top tube, not to mention lighter all this works to your advantage , because flatland is a difficult discipline, anything helps. The intrikat is a great frame, you can sometimes find a used on global flat.com or gabe weed's ebay store has a best offer option--I got a good deal on mine there, as far as parts also look at global flat--some good deals there, flatland fuel is good too and the staff are knowledgable. As far as tricks check out this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkvwdM9Xstc

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#3 2012-06-13 5:53pm

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#4 2012-06-13 6:30pm

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#5 2012-06-13 6:48pm

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I`m going to say start with the sabbath I own early and new flatland bikes plenty of them lol and found learning on my 92 standard shorty to be much much easier than say something like my Fenix. You`ll find the weight of the Sabbath will be much more stable and the slower geometry will help you to learn your balance much easier. New flatbikes are extremely light which makes balancing on one wheel much harder and with zero offset forks there extremely squirrely. I`m still a novice and ride a couple of hours everyday and the only flatbike I grab to ride out of 30+ bikes I own is the 92 so before you dump a couple grand into a new school flat bike which is very very easy to do give the sabbath a chance first. smile

This will also be a big help :
Get your fork glides dialed first this will get you used to balancing the bike on the front wheel and from there many combos can be built off this one trick. Also register for free here http://www.global-flat.com/news/ and then go here  http://www.global-flat.com/tricks/ any trick you ever wanted to learn is here with video and written instruction for any level rider.  Good Luck smile

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#6 2012-06-13 7:07pm

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I do flat, street and park all on my old janky tank of a Condor. It's a tad bit long for flatland but I'm really tall and have yet to find a perfect all around bike so it'll do. Plus, with the weight, It's like I get a good weight lifting workout at the same time! big_smile

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#7 2012-06-13 7:27pm

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Thanks for the input guys.  I'm leaning toward just tweaking the sabbath, to see if I have any ability at all.   And if I do, then maybe build a NS flatland bike from scratch.


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#8 2012-06-14 9:37am

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i vote for the '97 platform Sabbath. that is a sick bike.  especially if you are average height or tall, a heavier bike with a decent (not tiny) wheelbase, will actually be more stable, and easier to learn to lock in to balance points.

new school flat bikes, IMO, are too small light and twitchy for normal riders. they are great if you have ninja reflexes.


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#9 2012-06-14 9:46am

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I think it's a good call to spend some time on the Sabbath to see if you like to ride flat, and if you have the patience for it.

Once you decide to do it, get an Intrikat.

Fork glides and endos shouldn't make much difference as far as the weight goes. When you start doing foot-jam tailwhips, you start to notice. Such as the effort to start the bike turning, as well as stopping it. But I really saw it more of an issue when the wheel hits the ground before making it around. All the weight of the sabbath seemed to knock that back wheel out of true more frequently.

After I decided it didn't bother me to be failing about so much, I decided to get the Intrikat, and I have no regrets.


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#10 2012-06-14 9:49am

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Re: Flatland advice

Kid718 wrote:

So, flat has never been something I had done.  I didn't mess with it growing up at all.  Long story short, I am looking to learn the basics.  Just some stuff to start with, to see if I have ANY feel for it.

I have a 97 platform Sabbath already built, that just needs a few tweaks to have it flat ready.  However, I was wondering if an older bike is really my best bet to start learning.

Should I start with something newer?  Any new build would require selling the sabbath to fund.  And would be S&M based.  So probably an intrikat.

Anyway, should I try learning on the sabbath, or something new?

Since you already have a Sabbath, go with that. By todays standards it heavy, but the geometry is great.

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#11 2012-06-14 9:52am

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haro, indiana wrote:

Kid718 wrote:

Should I start with something newer?  Any new build would require selling the sabbath to fund.  And would be S&M based.  So probably an intrikat.

Yes--newer flat bikes are so much easier to manipulate--shorter wheelbase, shorter top tube, not to mention lighter all this works to your advantage , because flatland is a difficult discipline, anything helps. The intrikat is a great frame, you can sometimes find a used on global flat.com or gabe weed's ebay store has a best offer option--I got a good deal on mine there, as far as parts also look at global flat--some good deals there, flatland fuel is good too and the staff are knowledgable. As far as tricks check out this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkvwdM9Xstc

enjoy!

Good points. If you get hooked and start riding on a regular basis, you'll be better off on something modern.

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#12 2012-06-14 9:58am

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cmc wrote:

new school flat bikes, IMO, are too small light and twitchy for normal riders. they are great if you have ninja reflexes.

Flatland frames are available in various sizes with different geometry options, not all of them are twitchy.

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#13 2012-06-14 10:00am

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#14 2012-06-14 10:10am

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If you're starting from scratch, get a new school bike and learn with it. Personally, I can't do NS flat. I've had a couple of NS bikes (Ashura and Submachine) and I hated them. NS bikes have very fast angles (like 75 deg on the HT), super light, and most are zero or minimal offset. Personally, I don't like it. When I do a boomerang on a NS bike, I don't feel it at all, like turns happen in a split second. Whereas with something slow like a Haro Sport, I can "feel" the turning points. Most riders these days are used to the fast geometry, but it's just personal preference. Ride what feels good *to you*

As for tricks, the very basic ones are firehydrant, rear peg wheelies, fork wheelies, smoothies, half-lashes, boomerangs, and um.. riding backwards? Once you learn these, you can start linking other tricks with them. You can also learn the old school basics like boomerangs, whiplash, decades, or maybe even a hopping trick or two. NS riders don't do hopping tricks anymore but to me they're still fun, so I do it.

What I used to do BITD was, I'd have a list of tricks and practice about 10 of them DAILY. Then after a month or so, I'd mastered the backyard, then came the funky chicken, then frontyard, etc. Once you learn two tricks, you can then start learning how to link them. Flatland is all about repetition.. and LOTS of it. Don't get frustrated if it takes you months to learn one trick, it's all about patience with flatland.  have fun!! cool

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#15 2012-06-14 11:06am

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intrikat wrote:

cmc wrote:

new school flat bikes, IMO, are too small light and twitchy for normal riders. they are great if you have ninja reflexes.

Flatland frames are available in various sizes with different geometry options, not all of them are twitchy.

Yeah I get it--I just gotta have a bigger setup.  I tend to like street-ramp crossover bikes though. Like the 19.8tt, 14"cs FLY Mosca I had a while back. Or the Standard Shaman before that.  The 19.75 Strowler seems doable, but I'd want a longer cs.  With size 13 shoes I don't want to pedal and have my heels hitting the pegs or have to run short cranks.  I learned dump trucks on a Holmes, and hitchikers on a HB Taj, bitd!  I even rode a Powerlite f/s frame back when Trevor had his big setup that everyone made fun of, even though it fit him really well.


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#16 2012-06-14 11:19am

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I'm gonna agree with those saying just get going on the Sabbath, then if you find flatland is something you'd like to really work on, upgrade to a newer set-up.
It's what I did. I started playing around with flatland on my 21" TT Sunday Funday - not a flat bike per say. I was already running a Freecoaster & front brake, but threw on 4 pegs & started playing around w/ flatland. That was last year. This year I felt it was something I was going to stick with, so I upgraded to a new flatland frame - a S&M Intrikat. I went w/ a 20" tt on it as I still wanted a bike I could nibble around skateparks with. It's been a great choice.
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#17 2012-06-14 11:20am

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wds wrote:

I'm gonna agree with those saying just get going on the Sabbath, then if you find flatland is something you'd like to really work on, upgrade to a newer set-up.
It's what I did. I started playing around with flatland on my 21" TT Sunday Funday - not a flat bike per say. I was already running a Freecoaster & front brake, but threw on 4 pegs & started playing around w/ flatland. That was last year. This year I felt it was something I was going to stick with, so I upgraded to a new flatland frame - a S&M Intrikat. I went w/ a 20" tt on it as I still wanted a bike I could nibble around skateparks with. It's been a great choice.
-Bill

You mention something there.  A 3/8 freecoaster rear wheel is my main need.


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#18 2012-06-14 11:23am

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I'm sure flatlandfuel.com would have a freecoaster to fit your needs.
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#19 2012-06-14 11:27am

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Re: Flatland advice

Kid718 wrote:

wds wrote:

I'm gonna agree with those saying just get going on the Sabbath, then if you find flatland is something you'd like to really work on, upgrade to a newer set-up.
It's what I did. I started playing around with flatland on my 21" TT Sunday Funday - not a flat bike per say. I was already running a Freecoaster & front brake, but threw on 4 pegs & started playing around w/ flatland. That was last year. This year I felt it was something I was going to stick with, so I upgraded to a new flatland frame - a S&M Intrikat. I went w/ a 20" tt on it as I still wanted a bike I could nibble around skateparks with. It's been a great choice.
-Bill

You mention something there.  A 3/8 freecoaster rear wheel is my main need.

Find ya an old standard or suntour freecoaster laced into a super pro they work flawless. smile
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#20 2012-06-14 11:41am

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suicidepan wrote:

Kid718 wrote:

wds wrote:

I'm gonna agree with those saying just get going on the Sabbath, then if you find flatland is something you'd like to really work on, upgrade to a newer set-up.
It's what I did. I started playing around with flatland on my 21" TT Sunday Funday - not a flat bike per say. I was already running a Freecoaster & front brake, but threw on 4 pegs & started playing around w/ flatland. That was last year. This year I felt it was something I was going to stick with, so I upgraded to a new flatland frame - a S&M Intrikat. I went w/ a 20" tt on it as I still wanted a bike I could nibble around skateparks with. It's been a great choice.
-Bill

You mention something there.  A 3/8 freecoaster rear wheel is my main need.

Find ya an old standard or suntour freecoaster laced into a super pro they work flawless. smile
The most badass mid school freecoaster ever !!!!
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4686.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4777.jpg

Why do I get the sense that won't be easy to find? lol


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#21 2012-06-14 11:50am

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Re: Flatland advice

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suicidepan wrote:

Kid718 wrote:


You mention something there.  A 3/8 freecoaster rear wheel is my main need.

Find ya an old standard or suntour freecoaster laced into a super pro they work flawless. smile
The most badass mid school freecoaster ever !!!!
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4686.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4777.jpg

Why do I get the sense that won't be easy to find? lol

Your right there my good man, but the good news is that they use Suntour internals so if you can find a suntour coaster hub I can help you convert it into a perfect working freecoaster on the cheap big_smile


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#22 2012-06-14 11:53am

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Re: Flatland advice

suicidepan wrote:

Kid718 wrote:

suicidepan wrote:


Find ya an old standard or suntour freecoaster laced into a super pro they work flawless. smile
The most badass mid school freecoaster ever !!!!
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4686.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/ … CF4777.jpg

Why do I get the sense that won't be easy to find? lol

Your right there my good man, but the good news is that they use Suntour internals so if you can find a suntour coaster hub I can help you convert it into a perfect working freecoaster on the cheap big_smile

Gonna have to take this to PMs, as this will be above my head, and I would rather ask the dumb questions in private lol

LMK what I am going to need.


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#23 2012-06-14 12:10pm

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Re: Flatland advice

Kid718 wrote:

wds wrote:

I'm gonna agree with those saying just get going on the Sabbath, then if you find flatland is something you'd like to really work on, upgrade to a newer set-up.
It's what I did. I started playing around with flatland on my 21" TT Sunday Funday - not a flat bike per say. I was already running a Freecoaster & front brake, but threw on 4 pegs & started playing around w/ flatland. That was last year. This year I felt it was something I was going to stick with, so I upgraded to a new flatland frame - a S&M Intrikat. I went w/ a 20" tt on it as I still wanted a bike I could nibble around skateparks with. It's been a great choice.
-Bill

You mention something there.  A 3/8 freecoaster rear wheel is my main need.

Just saw this today
http://www.danscomp.com/products-PARTS- … r_Hub.html

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#24 2012-06-14 12:23pm

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cmc wrote:

I even rode a Powerlite f/s frame back when Trevor had his big setup that everyone made fun of, even though it fit him really well.

I rode Trevor's Powerlite once BITD.  Everything seemed oversize to but perfect for him cause he's tall.

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#25 2012-06-14 12:47pm

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Re: Flatland advice

cmc wrote:

intrikat wrote:

cmc wrote:

new school flat bikes, IMO, are too small light and twitchy for normal riders. they are great if you have ninja reflexes.

Flatland frames are available in various sizes with different geometry options, not all of them are twitchy.

Yeah I get it--I just gotta have a bigger setup.  I tend to like street-ramp crossover bikes though. Like the 19.8tt, 14"cs FLY Mosca I had a while back. Or the Standard Shaman before that.  The 19.75 Strowler seems doable, but I'd want a longer cs.  With size 13 shoes I don't want to pedal and have my heels hitting the pegs or have to run short cranks.  I learned dump trucks on a Holmes, and hitchikers on a HB Taj, bitd!  I even rode a Powerlite f/s frame back when Trevor had his big setup that everyone made fun of, even though it fit him really well.

The Shaman was a great frame for sure. Flatland on a Holmes, Taj? that's rad!

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