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#1 2011-11-21 3:56pm

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A question about 22" bikes

The concept really intrigues me.  Between a 20" which I can't ride and a 24" which I love riding.

My only question is, does anyone make them as completes?

Is this something that has been around for a while, and do you guys see it as something that will continue to grow?



I'd really like to have one, but I don't even know where I'd begin buying wheels for them, buying tires, and if later on when I need to replace the rims if they will even be available.


does anyone have one or know where to get parts for them.  I looked at Danscomp and didn't see wheels for them, so where do you get the stuff.

I'd imagine you would have to buy several rims and tires just to have for future use.


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#2 2011-11-21 4:02pm

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#3 2011-11-21 4:08pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

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This Cat might be able to help you.
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Maybe he will chime in.  I went to Faction's website and was sort of relieved to find out you can buy the tires,  tubes, and rims through them, but they are sold out of tires and tubes at the moment.

This is not something I plan on building in the next 6 months, but as long as I could easily buy the rims, tires, and tubes, I wouldn't even mind doing a custom through Standard again in the future.  I really want a Vector FS Unlimited in a 24" through Standard, but would think it would be uber cool to do it as a 22"

Although 10 years down the road, a. will I be alive, b. will new tubes and tires be readily available? c. will Natalie Portman still want me as badly as she does now?


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#4 2011-11-21 7:12pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

Ed @ planetbmx I doubt you will ever read this, but would you EVER consider selling 22" bikes? or 22" tuffs?  Do you guys not believe this will ever catch on with other companies?


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#5 2011-11-21 7:54pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

Look at the Redding Craigslist in CA. A guy has been trying to sell his complete for like a year. I made a thread about it but nobody replied.

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#6 2011-11-21 8:34pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I've ridden Fulltwisting's Faction a couple times and it has a really nice feel to it. The steering is tight, and the height is perfect. It is comfortable enough to cruise on but small enough to feel like you could throw it around.


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#7 2011-11-21 10:45pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

22's never caught on, and I assure you they never will; a thingof bmx past.  Cannot finnd tires to save a life.  26" are the future imho.  Look at wtp, they stopped 24.s andstarted 26".  I sure do like thete ole 24's!

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#8 2011-11-22 8:36am

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I like 20 and 24 and I own both. I don't think the 26" bmx will take off. I had an OM flyer. It was cool to cruise, but then I looked at my mtn bike and sold the OM. There will always be some people liking the 26's but the majority of people aren't into them. I've never ridden a 22 but if I ever see one I'll ask if I can ride it.

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#9 2011-11-22 10:04am

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

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I like 20 and 24 and I own both. I don't think the 26" bmx will take off. I had an OM flyer. It was cool to cruise, but then I looked at my mtn bike and sold the OM. There will always be some people liking the 26's but the majority of people aren't into them. I've never ridden a 22 but if I ever see one I'll ask if I can ride it.

Yeah before I got back into bmx, people at bike shops kept trying to get me into bigger and bigger bikes.  I finally bought an om flyer, after a bike shop employee told me I should probably buy the big ripper.  But they just feel like mountain bikes to me.

24's feel amazing to me.  and I liked my 2009 Haro Freestyler, but 20's just won't happen again, I had the S&M Perfect 10's on there which helped, but I really want to see what a 22" rides like.

I would just hope it would pick up if I try it just in case I need parts later on.

I would hate in 5 years if Faction went out of business, and I am waiting for someone to sell theirs just in case I need the rims or something.


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#10 2011-11-22 3:07pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I kinda suspect that 22 won't really catch on.  For park and probably street, I'm guessing that any advantage in speed wouldn't really be worth it compared to the flick-ability of a 20.  The younger 20" park crowd actually seem to be offended by 22s. (Check out BMX-Forum for some really stupid and emotional discussion about the matter.)  It's funny though that some companies have started making 24" park bikes.  After seeing how popular 29" mountain bikes became, I guess I should never say never. big_smile

For dirt jumping though, I think 22s may have an advantage over 20s.  There is a thread over on Ride Monkey in the BMX/Dirt Jump sub-forum that seems to be geared mostly toward dirt jumpers. They roll faster and are more stable, but still kinda have a 20" feel.  Now, take what I say with a grain of salt, because my dirt jumping experience is pretty minimal.  I've tried some small table top jumps with a modern S&M Dirt Bike, and found it a bit twitchy for me.  That's really probably a lack of skill on my part.  The Zeitgeist I have is probably a bit more like a race bike, with a bit slacker head tube angle, lower bb, and longer rear end.  It works well for me though.  I feel more confident on it.  For bombing around town on, I really love it.  It's fast and comfortable.

Most parts are interchangeable, like they would be for a 24.  The biggest problem is tires and rims.  I didn't like my Quando hubs that came with the bike so I started thinking about finding a 48h hub to use with the stock rims.  But then I came across a set of Velocity Taipan rims in 22".  I don't think they are as tough (Faction's rims are beefy as heck!), but they are quite a bit lighter, and are 36 spoke instead of 48, so  I was able to re-purpose some lighter Odyssey clone hubs I had.  These rims are being used by others for dirt jumping and seem to be doing well.  I may wind up trying to get some of the new 36h 22" rims and some tires from Faction if they have some, just to have them around.  I like the 22" size a lot, so I think I'd like to have some for the future.  For tubes, if you need to, you can use 20" tubes. I've done it.  You just have to pump them up, let the air out, then stretch them out by hand.  They are a royal pain to get on, but it works.

There are a few other companies that are starting to get their feet wet.  I've heard of custom 22" forks made by (I think it was) S&M, and there is a guy building frames under the name InDust (I think they are made in Texas by Stout).  Maybe if he can get enough interest from the dirt jump crowd, he may one day be able to make a large enough order to make tires and rims reasonable.

Faction was working on a new frame, the Amero, which was more of a street bike with a short rear and high bb.  They were also working on lighter weight street tires too.  Unfortunately, that kept getting delayed and I haven't heard much from them recently.  I suspect that part of the problem for them was competing price wise for customers in North America.


Wow, I just read through all that.  I think I'll stop rambling now and see if the discussion continues.  lol

If any of you find yourselves in the RTP NC area, I'd be happy to let you try it out.

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#11 2011-11-22 3:57pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I was thinking that it might be easier to use 24" tubes and just scrunch them up a little, rather than trying to stretch out some 20's. But I don't know, just a thought.

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#12 2011-11-22 4:15pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

brandonbig wrote:

I was thinking that it might be easier to use 24" tubes and just s finch them up a little, rather than trying to stretch out some 20's. But I don't know, just a thought.

I would think you would have one thick spot on the tires that you would definitely feel.


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#13 2011-11-22 6:15pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

not sure about 22 but if anything.. those tires or wheels will not easy to find?  I would rather go 24 instead of 22 but that just me.


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#14 2011-11-22 6:42pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I have some NOS 22" tires if anyone is looking

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#15 2011-11-22 6:48pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

shaved_ape wrote:

brandonbig wrote:

I was thinking that it might be easier to use 24" tubes and just s finch them up a little, rather than trying to stretch out some 20's. But I don't know, just a thought.

I would think you would have one thick spot on the tires that you would definitely feel.

Yea maybe. But I did stuff a 26" tube into a 24" tire. I didn't notice anything odd but it did work.

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#16 2011-11-22 7:16pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

There was a huge 22 inch thread somewhere in here before.


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#17 2011-11-22 7:40pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

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not sure about 22 but if anything.. those tires or wheels will not easy to find?  I would rather go 24 instead of 22 but that just me.

Rims and tires in particular.  Spokes and hubs are easy to find.

I really dig my 22. It's a blokes BMX.  big_smile


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#18 2011-11-22 7:41pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

I just custom built this 22 with Standard. I am waiting to by the new Faction complete. I want to try both of them. I ride a 24" S&M dirt bike that I love but have been interested in the 22" concept for a while.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr32 … dard22.jpg

I think it could really catch on if it more companies build them. Especially rims and tires.
If anyone has rims and tires I would love to buy some while I wait for Faction to get things back on track.


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#19 2011-11-22 7:41pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

brandonbig wrote:

shaved_ape wrote:

brandonbig wrote:

I was thinking that it might be easier to use 24" tubes and just s finch them up a little, rather than trying to stretch out some 20's. But I don't know, just a thought.

I would think you would have one thick spot on the tires that you would definitely feel.

Yea maybe. But I did stuff a 26" tube into a 24" tire. I didn't notice anything odd but it did work.

Hmmm, maybe I'll try a 24 tube...


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#20 2011-11-22 7:46pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

speedracer43 wrote:

I just custom built this 22 with Standard. I am waiting to by the new Faction complete. I want to try both of them. I ride a 24" S&M dirt bike that I love but have been interested in the 22" concept for a while.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr32 … dard22.jpg

I think it could really catch on if it more companies build them. Especially rims and tires.
If anyone has rims and tires I would love to buy some while I wait for Faction to get things back on track.

Dude! That's really nice.  Keep us posted on this one.  Specs? Was it built for a particular purpose?


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#21 2011-11-22 7:50pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

Man, I want one of those 22" Faction's soooooo bad!
And speedracer43, that Standard 22 is freakin' awesome! On that, you have what I really wish the Faction's had... 990 mounts on the fork. smile

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#22 2011-11-22 7:58pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

speedracer43 wrote:

I just custom built this 22 with Standard. I am waiting to by the new Faction complete. I want to try both of them. I ride a 24" S&M dirt bike that I love but have been interested in the 22" concept for a while.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr32 … dard22.jpg

I think it could really catch on if it more companies build them. Especially rims and tires.
If anyone has rims and tires I would love to buy some while I wait for Faction to get things back on track.

That is one of those things that I like about this, but what sets me back.

I'd like to have another custom retro bike made but for a 22".

My only fear is that finding 22" tires, tubes, and rims in the future will be a pain in the arse.

So I definitely wanted to see what other companies might be doing what.



This is a question I hope someone can answer.  I just want to buy 22" rims from Faction, and put whatever hubs I want for the wheels.  But do the spokes have to be a certain customized length, or is getting spokes for the wheels going to be a pain in the ass as well?


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#23 2011-11-22 8:03pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

You can get a a tube thats 2" smaller in just fine and it really doesnt matter now big of a tube you jam in a littler tire. Ive jammed 26" in to 16" tires. I like that it doesnt look off like 24s do compared to 20s. The porportions are still pretty close. Id try one if they make them affordable.


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#24 2011-11-22 8:12pm

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Re: A question about 22" bikes

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This is a question I hope someone can answer.  I just want to buy 22" rims from Faction, and put whatever hubs I want for the wheels.  But do the spokes have to be a certain customized length, or is getting spokes for the wheels going to be a pain in the ass as well?

When I switched wheels, I had my favorite LBS build them up for me.  I gave him the hubs and the Velocity Taipan rims, and he had no problem finding spokes.  He didn't have them in stock since he normally deals with road bikes and MTB (which is how i hooked up with him to begin with), but he had no problem ordering them.


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#25 2011-11-22 8:26pm

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Man, I would love to get a 22".  I'm looking to sell my CX bike, if I thought I could get a complete 22" somewhere I'd drop the CX in a second.


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