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#1 2010-11-25 4:01pm

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1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Going to say up front that this is a labor of love.

When I was a kid I was always tinkering with bikes. It started off with a 74'-ish Yamaha Moto-Bike with Tuff 1s purchased in 1982 for US$50 from the next  door neighbor. This was cool. The only thing that sucked was the front suspension was uneven so I needed a new front axle every so often. The other thing that didn't go over well was taking this monster to the race track in 83' when I was 13. Bike was 9 years behind the power curve. I won't overly digress about the small kids sneering at me, riding their minis, as I ran them off the berm during practice...bwhahhahaha.

This was in and around the time BMX Action Trick Team was doing its tour. I saw RL, Pat Romano, and Mike Buff at Ingram park mall in San Antonio Texas. I bought the shirt and I had to get an x20 series Murray. I moved my Tuff 1s over to this bike and my love for bikes transferred from BMX to Freestyle. The Murray was stolen when I was in 8th grade so if you find a Murray X20r out there with the bottom tube re-welded to the head tube -that's my frame bitch.

When I was in high school I bought, owned, traded, rode, bartered an 85' Haro Master, 85' Haro Sport, 86' CW Freestyler, 85' Schwinn Predator F/S but the one bike I had a special affinity for was my RL 20 II.

I purchased the 85' RL 20 II frame and fork for $110-ish from Jack Smith. He did a short stint for Haro in the late 80s. I rode the hell out of this bike. I had a half ass half pipe in my back yard. We would hang out. Every Sunday a pack showed up to my house and we would ride to Brackenridge park and hang out all day. Some of the best times in my youth. I might have tinkered with other bikes but I always came back to my Redline. It went through several re-paints. Originally white, I painted it red, black, a split blue/black split (forks and rear was blue and triangle was black; the Redline seat post tube and bottom tube stickers reversed) and then finally  metallic midnight blue. 

I joined the Army in July 88' and, to be frank, there it sat in the garage till this  Thanksgiving weekend (10'). Call it my mid-life crisis. My emotional boo boo bag. I started a retro build as well. You can see that here:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=274307

My wife thinks I am a couple of fries short of a happy meal. She tells me to just have an affair and get it over with so we can get back to "real" life. I told her I will take a rain check on that.

So here it is . I don't think it qualifies as a survivor but she's mine.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4828.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4835.jpg

The first thing I had to do is determine the ground truth condition of the F/F. I stripped it down to the bare metal to look at the raw metal.

This stuff rocks....
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5005.jpg

...this stuff doesn't.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5004.jpg

To assist with the stripping I used a drill and some of those sanders, wire brushes on wheels. By the way I forgot how much I hate stripping.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4991.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4962.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4981.jpg

So I stripped her down to the bare metal and she had issues. She's 25 years old but it bike years that is not all that graceful. The dropouts on the fork are cracked. The head tube gusset has some hairline fractures and the seat post clamp area has some hairline cracks as well.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4983.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_4986.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5000.jpg

So now I'm in correspondence with the frame doctor to see what is feasible. After that she is off to the painter. I am debating all white or all red. I am intending to put the prostyler stickers. I bought some from the guy who runs the Vintage Redline website.

Other than above the metal was solid and good. No dents. Little to no rust. Seems 5 layers of paint and primer protects well.

As a parting note, this isn't a winter build. This is my childhood build and as such this is going to take some time to complete. I also wanted to note that I've seen the debate regarding keeping bikes in their OG state vs. the "spit and polish" treatment. If the F/F had its original paint and was structurally sound -then maybe. This isn't the forum for that debate. I'm not building this for you. I'm building this for me. You just happened to be along for the ride.


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#2 2010-11-25 4:04pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Thats an '84 dude the rarest of the rare right there.cool Mate how much do you want for it?big_smile

I'm speechless not only have you got the holy grail in a freestyle frameset the story behind it is a thriller I just love it when something like this comes out, cheers you have made my week. You said it was originally all white which would be correct and if I remember correctly there was only about 150 made or so. My opinion is she should be restored back to her former original glory with white duco, good luck with the build and keep us updated.

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#3 2010-11-25 4:23pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Don't sell it!!!! Get it fixed and send it to Lou or C4 and bring it back to its glory. Did it have the chrome rear triangle originally? I'm looking forward to seeing your progress. I wish I still had my original '85 RL20

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#4 2010-11-25 5:44pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Great story and potential build...also my opinion would be white for the finish...nothing cooler than old school white redlines...


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#5 2010-11-25 6:42pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Not selling. I'm fixing it.

murph3699 wrote:

Did it have the chrome rear triangle originally?

At one point, in high school, I had considered getting it chromed because I was tired of repainting when it got thrashed. It retrospect I am glad I did not do that. This F/F never had chrome.

Going off the reservation for a moment.

It has an 84' build date serial number. From what I am gathering this F/F is among the first 250 RL 20 IIs made. The others that I know of that have surfaced so to speak: 

RD06648 DIDI
RD06625 caleb_k21
RD06761 redline 600
RD06722 friend of DIDI in Germany
RD06817 RL Paulie
RD06882 Yar <---me

Could be more. Just haven't seen it.

I had a theory regarding the serial numbers for this run but there are holes as noted in the following thread. 

Date thread
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/ind … ic=3009821

yar wrote:

Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread but considering the content this is the best place to put this besides here: http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/info/187/

This is in regards to (IRT) the first year production run of RL 20 II serial numbers.

The first year production for the RL 20 II was a run of 250.

The lowest serial number on the internet that I have found was RD 06648. Found here: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8386
The highest serial number I found was RD 06882. This is my F/F.

With the assumption that all the RL 20 II numbers are sequential, with no breaks, or bleed over into serial numbers beginning with RE (or no letters at all!) those two serial numbers above may account for 234 frame sets. This may indicate that the beginning serial number for the first batch of RL 20 IIs began somewhere around RD 06632 - RD 06648 and ended between RD 06882 - RD 06898.

I also did about 20 minutes of searching RD era ProStyler serials on the internet's and found the lowest one at RD 01011 and the highest one at RD 06363. Not all inconclusive mind you.

Another hypotheses is the 20 II serials start in the "middle" of no logical point because they may have used the same bottom brackets, late in the 84' production year, as the RL 20 ProStylers. These "may" have been the last 250 frame sets that Redline produced with the RD serial number that year since I haven't found any over RD serial over 06882.

Someone out there somewhere may have something in their garage that blows this out of the water so I wouldn't be surprised.

It would be interesting if we had the serials numbers from some of the pros riding these bikes during their hey day. I am guessing they would have been among the first production runs. 

Again is a hypotheses and isn't theory.


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#6 2010-11-25 6:56pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Awesome. I was thinking you had one of the "250", that's why asked about the chrome. I know most of them were white but at least one member here, Quinonesm, had a turquoise RL20-II with no chrome.

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#7 2010-11-26 5:08am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Cool I notice the RD sn immediately cool


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#8 2010-11-26 5:26am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

That is pretty damn cool!  I can't wait to see it restored!

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#9 2010-11-26 6:31am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

thats going to be a fun build cool

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#10 2010-11-26 6:37am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

I just noticed in your second picture the seat post tube hasn't been welded underneath the top tube it looks like it has been left bare without being welded. Could you confirm and show a close up with a picture. The frame you got is so rare that's it's worth marking and noting these small appearances. Cheers Harvester


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#11 2010-11-26 6:49am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Harvester wrote:

I just noticed in your second picture the seat post tube hasn't been welded underneath the top tube it looks like it has been left bare without being welded. Could you confirm and show a close up with a picture. The frame you got is so rare that's it's worth marking and noting these small appearances. Cheers Harvester

That photo does make it look that way. It's just the shadowing of that particular picture.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5022.jpg
This is a Redline. Not a Haro. wink ---heh couldn't resist.

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#12 2010-11-26 7:00am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Yar wrote:

Harvester wrote:

I just noticed in your second picture the seat post tube hasn't been welded underneath the top tube it looks like it has been left bare without being welded. Could you confirm and show a close up with a picture. The frame you got is so rare that's it's worth marking and noting these small appearances. Cheers Harvester

That photo does make it look that way. It's just the shadowing of that particular picture.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv24 … G_5022.jpg

I was hoping we were onto something there but never mind we're bound to find something on this frame or fork that stands out (apart from the frame #). The secrets are within.


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#13 2010-11-26 7:58am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

murph3699 wrote:

Awesome. I was thinking you had one of the "250", that's why asked about the chrome. I know most of them were white but at least one member here, Quinonesm, had a turquoise RL20-II with no chrome.

Stand corrected. I forgot about his. I've seen him post the pics of him BITD with his bike. I've read that the first 250 came in other colors besides white but his is the only other I have seen that they did. Never seen the other colors like red and so on. This is partially why I am toying with the idea of painting it red. I will probably restore back to its original white but I am toying with the idea.


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#14 2010-11-26 8:00am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

that cleaned up nice ,  sure looks good raw.


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#15 2010-11-26 9:22am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Yar wrote:

murph3699 wrote:

Awesome. I was thinking you had one of the "250", that's why asked about the chrome. I know most of them were white but at least one member here, Quinonesm, had a turquoise RL20-II with no chrome.

Stand corrected. I forgot about his. I've seen him post the pics of him BITD with his bike. I've read that the first 250 came in other colors besides white but his is the only other I have seen that they did. Never seen the other colors like red and so on. This is partially why I am toying with the idea of painting it red. I will probably restore back to its original white but I am toying with the idea.

Red wasn't offered til '86. Turquoise, Hazard Yellow, Radberry and White were '85 colors.

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#16 2010-11-26 9:25am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Keep us posted with pics as the build comes along, gonna be an awesome ride!!


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#17 2010-12-05 1:17pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Well, I mailed off the frame to the Frame Doctor. He should receive it this coming Monday. In the meantime, as I wait for my other project to return from the painters I'm starting to work on the RL 20 II components.

I have decided to paint this F/F all white.

I'm in a decision semi-crux between eras for this build. The 84' RL 20 II demo era. As in the following photo...
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/Untitled-1.jpg
...with early Elina BMX seat, MX 1000s, skyway mags or the later, 85-86'ish with Peregrine 48s, Elina Flyte Tech, and Nippons.

The photo is from the winter 84' Freestylin' edition magazine. 

Brakes. I have a Frankenstein set of front and rear MX-1000s. I was thinking of cleaning these up for this bike ( if not these then some white 883's, with the allen pviot bolts, and Weinnman adjusters). Yes, those are DC labeled grey protective caps for the back side of the bolts. If I were use the 1000's then it would be cool to match them up with the round fin Kool Stop/Skyway brake pads and then a set of white Skyway mags. 
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5153.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5152.jpg

401s and Tech repo bottom bracket. I think I have a lead on a Hutch Bottom Bracket lock that I want to pair with this.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5136.jpg

Now the spindle! I bought the cranks and assorted goodies for what I thought was a reasonable price but the spindle was broke but not in the way you may think. I regret not taking pictures as it is easier to illustrate than to describe.

It seems for this version of the Redline spindle the threading is on a sleeve that is then welded(?) onto the spindle. It seems a previous owner was trying to remove the bearing racer on the sprocket side and the weld broke leaving me, the new owner with a ball bearing race attached to the threading sleeve, removed from the spindle. I am now making the assumption at this point as to why everyone wants the double dimple spindle.

Ugg.

I fixed it in the following way. I took some JB weld to bond the threaded sleeve back onto the spindle. I let it cure a couple of days and then I tried to remove the bearing race with a big ass wrench using a cheater bar. I braced the spindle between 2 blocks of wood on a vice. No dice. The bearing race was on there pretty good. I was surprised that the JB weld held. At that point I took a metal rotary drill bit and sawed on top of the bearing race down right before hitting the spindle crown. I flipped it over and did the same at the 180 mark. I then took the spindle and placed it on a block of wood. I took a small metal wedge and tapped it, very lightly, a couple of times in the one the areas I sawed through. I was then able to remove the bearing race from the spindle by hand. Problem solved.     
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5145.jpg

I have a decision between these Suntour pedals and the Shimano. Either way I have some work. I'm thinking the Shimano's but I really want the Suntours. I think the Shimano's would be easier, and cheaper, to restore due to repo end caps being available and the lack availability of cages and end caps for the Suntours.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5137.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5138.jpg

OG KMC chain. Dipped in Oxalic Acid to remove rust. Did a remarkable job.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5139.jpg

This Forklifter stem was drilled out for routing an ACS router. I'm thinking of fixing this by filling the hole and the dents with Silver solder and sanding it down smooth. After that, a good polish. I have an OG ACS router but I am going to leave it out to accommodate the Tange, Hatta style, headset. 
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5140.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5141.jpg

Tange -Hatta Style- headset.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5144.jpg

Going to refurbish the Tech 7s. I want to paint the bodies white just like wildon, from this forum, did here. I corresponded briefly with wildon about how to remove the buttons for refurbishing. He noted a technique for removing but I'm not sold on just re-soldering the washer back. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm also missing one barrel connector. Anyone have a suggestion for a close to OEM look replacement?
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5147.jpg

I stripped these hubs down to determine the condition, repack em, and to polish em up. They are pretty decent. I need to remove a small tinge of rust left behind from the spokes. The stickers are OG. I also need to replace one of the bearing racers on the rear hub. You can see it kind of munched up on the lower axle on the right side. The axles are in pretty decent condition. They are true but with that very slight thread squish where the dropouts make contact with the axle. I was thinking of buying some replacement cro-mo axles but I'm going to leave them because they are OG. As far as rims, I have a single chrome Araya 7x 48h rim. The chrome is flaking but other than that its perfect so I need to find a matching 7x rim and refurbish both rims or I have several choices here: white Skyway mags, finding a front Peregrine mag to match my rear, or finding a set of acceptable hoops (Peregrine 48/HP or Ukai Speedline/Equlaizer) to lace up to these hubs.   
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5149.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5148.jpg

14" Redline stamped fluted seatpost and Peregrine seat post clamp. Need to remove the rust and shine that clamp up.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5150.jpg

Orphaned. I need a matching buddy. Redline OEM 3/8" x 24 TPI peg. Anyone have a spare out there? I know the matching bastard is in my father's garage somewhere but I think it would take about a year to sort through everything in there.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv245/yarseyer/IMG_5154.jpg

To wrap up. It's a start. As previously noted this is going to take some time. I'm not Mr. Money Buckets so I'm treading a bit at a time looking for the right opportunity on items to fill the gaps in the parts I need.


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#18 2010-12-05 1:22pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. There is someone on ebay selling fork pegs for $25. I recently grabbed a pair. You can get a barrel adjuster to fit those Tech 7's from a Tech 5 lever (or a chang starr copy).

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#19 2010-12-05 2:46pm

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That is going to be a sweet ride. cool


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#20 2010-12-05 5:45pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

murph3699 wrote:

I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. There is someone on ebay selling fork pegs for $25. I recently grabbed a pair. You can get a barrel adjuster to fit those Tech 7's from a Tech 5 lever (or a chang starr copy).

Thanks on the Tech 5 tip. I couldn't find an e-bay listing for the peg. Do you mind PMing it?


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#21 2010-12-05 5:48pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Yar wrote:

murph3699 wrote:

I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. There is someone on ebay selling fork pegs for $25. I recently grabbed a pair. You can get a barrel adjuster to fit those Tech 7's from a Tech 5 lever (or a chang starr copy).

Thanks on the Tech 5 tip. I couldn't find an e-bay listing for the peg. Do you mind PMing it?

It must have ended. I just checked and its gone. I'll keep my eyes peeled

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#22 2010-12-06 11:30am

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Yar wrote:

Well, I mailed off the frame to the Frame Doctor. He should receive it this coming Monday. In the meantime, as I wait for my other project to return from the painters I'm starting to work on the RL 20 II components.

I have decided to paint this F/F all white.

I'm in a decision semi-crux between eras for this build. The 84' RL 20 II demo era. As in the following photo...
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv24 … tled-1.jpg
...with early Elina BMX seat, MX 1000s, skyway mags or the later, 85-86'ish with Peregrine 48s, Elina Flyte Tech, and Nippons.

The photo is from the winter 84' Freestylin' edition magazine. 

Brakes. I have a Frankenstein set of front and rear MX-1000s. I was thinking of cleaning these up for this bike ( if not these then some white 883's, with the allen pviot bolts, and Weinnman adjusters). Yes, those are DC labeled grey protective caps for the back side of the bolts. If I were use the 1000's then it would be cool to match them up with the round fin Kool Stop/Skyway brake pads and then a set of white Skyway mags. 
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv24 … G_5153.jpg
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv24 … G_5152.jpg

401s and Tech repo bottom bracket. I think I have a lead on a Hutch Bottom Bracket lock that I want to pair with this.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv24 … G_5136.jpg

Now the spindle! I bought the cranks and assorted goodies for what I thought was a reasonable price but the spindle was broke but not in the way you may think. I regret not taking pictures as it is easier to illustrate than to describe.

It seems for this version of the Redline spindle the threading is on a sleeve that is then welded(?) onto the spindle. It seems a previous owner was trying to remove the bearing racer on the sprocket side and the weld broke leaving me, the new owner with a ball bearing race attached to the threading sleeve, removed from the spindle. I am now making the assumption at this point as to why everyone wants the double dimple spindle.

Ugg.

I fixed it in the following way. I took some JB weld to bond the threaded sleeve back onto the spindle. I let it cure a couple of days and then I tried to remove the bearing race with a big ass wrench using a cheater bar. I braced the spindle between 2 blocks of wood on a vice. No dice. The bearing race was on there pretty good. I was surprised that the JB weld held. At that point I took a metal rotary drill bit and sawed on top of the bearing race down right before hitting the spindle crown. I flipped it over and did the same at the 180 mark. I then took the spindle and placed it on a block of wood. I took a small metal wedge and tapped it, very lightly, a couple of times in the one the areas I sawed through. I was then able to remove the bearing race from the spindle by hand. Problem solved.     
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I have a decision between these Suntour pedals and the Shimano. Either way I have some work. I'm thinking the Shimano's but I really want the Suntours. I think the Shimano's would be easier, and cheaper, to restore due to repo end caps being available and the lack availability of cages and end caps for the Suntours.
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OG KMC chain. Dipped in Oxalic Acid to remove rust. Did a remarkable job.
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This Forklifter stem was drilled out for routing an ACS router. I'm thinking of fixing this by filling the hole and the dents with Silver solder and sanding it down smooth. After that, a good polish. I have an OG ACS router but I am going to leave it out to accommodate the Tange, Hatta style, headset. 
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Tange -Hatta Style- headset.
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Going to refurbish the Tech 7s. I want to paint the bodies white just like wildon, from this forum, did here. I corresponded briefly with wildon about how to remove the buttons for refurbishing. He noted a technique for removing but I'm not sold on just re-soldering the washer back. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm also missing one barrel connector. Anyone have a suggestion for a close to OEM look replacement?
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I stripped these hubs down to determine the condition, repack em, and to polish em up. They are pretty decent. I need to remove a small tinge of rust left behind from the spokes. The stickers are OG. I also need to replace one of the bearing racers on the rear hub. You can see it kind of munched up on the lower axle on the right side. The axles are in pretty decent condition. They are true but with that very slight thread squish where the dropouts make contact with the axle. I was thinking of buying some replacement cro-mo axles but I'm going to leave them because they are OG. As far as rims, I have a single chrome Araya 7x 48h rim. The chrome is flaking but other than that its perfect so I need to find a matching 7x rim and refurbish both rims or I have several choices here: white Skyway mags, finding a front Peregrine mag to match my rear, or finding a set of acceptable hoops (Peregrine 48/HP or Ukai Speedline/Equlaizer) to lace up to these hubs.   
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14" Redline stamped fluted seatpost and Peregrine seat post clamp. Need to remove the rust and shine that clamp up.
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Orphaned. I need a matching buddy. Redline OEM 3/8" x 24 TPI peg. Anyone have a spare out there? I know the matching bastard is in my father's garage somewhere but I think it would take about a year to sort through everything in there.
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To wrap up. It's a start. As previously noted this is going to take some time. I'm not Mr. Money Buckets so I'm treading a bit at a time looking for the right opportunity on items to fill the gaps in the parts I need.

For the front pegs, you could also thread a 3/8 x 24 axle into the fork,cut the axle w/an inch sticking out of the fork and thread a peg on to get by untill u find the fork peg. Thats what i did on my 86 RL20II BITD ... i preferred it too .


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One 20x1.75 tan wall PRIMO V-MONSTER
1 chrome Rhyno Lite 48 rim.
Rear Suzue/Peregrine 48 sealed mech hub

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#23 2010-12-06 11:59am

kmpap
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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

Fun, fun, fun.  Love OS white Redlines.  Looking forward to progress....

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#24 2010-12-06 12:36pm

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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

murph3699 wrote:

Yar wrote:

murph3699 wrote:

Awesome. I was thinking you had one of the "250", that's why asked about the chrome. I know most of them were white but at least one member here, Quinonesm, had a turquoise RL20-II with no chrome.

Stand corrected. I forgot about his. I've seen him post the pics of him BITD with his bike. I've read that the first 250 came in other colors besides white but his is the only other I have seen that they did. Never seen the other colors like red and so on. This is partially why I am toying with the idea of painting it red. I will probably restore back to its original white but I am toying with the idea.

Red wasn't offered til '86. Turquoise, Hazard Yellow, Radberry and White were '85 colors.

Cool thread and great clean canvas to begin with!

My theory is that they just started tinkering with other colors (aside from the OG white that RL's prototype and the single top tube Prostyler came in) within that first production run of 250. as noted, they did not offer the other colors until the 85 run and beyond. It's common knowledge that the first run was being produced in late 84 (hence those serial numbers), but mine arrived in the beginning of 85 (can't for the life of me remember the exact month). I've never seen or heard of anyone with a solid color F/F in other than white or my OG turquoise. My intention with my older 85 frameset (since sold) was to replicate my all turquoise RL with a solid color scheme, until I got a hold of my all white 87 and did it up like RL's prototype (with my spin of course). I love the all white scheme with Prostyler decals and that would be my recommendation (if asked). Nice selection of parts you've amassed too! Good luck with this build...can't wait to see it finished! wink

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#25 2010-12-06 2:46pm

Yar
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Re: 1985 Redline RL 20 II Restoration

quinonesm wrote:

murph3699 wrote:

Yar wrote:


Stand corrected. I forgot about his. I've seen him post the pics of him BITD with his bike. I've read that the first 250 came in other colors besides white but his is the only other I have seen that they did. Never seen the other colors like red and so on. This is partially why I am toying with the idea of painting it red. I will probably restore back to its original white but I am toying with the idea.

Red wasn't offered til '86. Turquoise, Hazard Yellow, Radberry and White were '85 colors.

Cool thread and great clean canvas to begin with!

My theory is that they just started tinkering with other colors (aside from the OG white that RL's prototype and the single top tube Prostyler came in) within that first production run of 250. as noted, they did not offer the other colors until the 85 run and beyond. It's common knowledge that the first run was being produced in late 84 (hence those serial numbers), but mine arrived in the beginning of 85 (can't for the life of me remember the exact month). I've never seen or heard of anyone with a solid color F/F in other than white or my OG turquoise. My intention with my older 85 frameset (since sold) was to replicate my all turquoise RL with a solid color scheme, until I got a hold of my all white 87 and did it up like RL's prototype (with my spin of course). I love the all white scheme with Prostyler decals and that would be my recommendation (if asked). Nice selection of parts you've amassed too! Good luck with this build...can't wait to see it finished! wink

You know I've never seen one of the originals in any other color than white. Yours was the first. Even BITD I was under the impression they only came in white. Although, I had no clue about the low production numbers either. I just knew it was the first run. I would venture to say, and I'm going on a limb, that you may have had what was a a very, very small handful of the "other than white" batch w/no chrome.

I started an informal registry of known serial numbers and I think I pulled up 7 bikes. One of em I don't have the serial number and is posted under Redline Frames to the user Tiki. I sent an e-mail but never received a response. 

Thanks about the parts remarks. These were in my fathers garage and I pulled em out of hiding. I did buy a set of Prostyler stickers for this bike. I bought em from the gentlemen that runs the Vintage Redline website.

cool <----Happy face for my little girl. She wanted to see how this works.


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