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#1 2011-06-08 3:40pm
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fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
well, i have a chrome frame that had rust when i picked it up. I don't have access to anything that will allow me to dip the frame in oa or clr. the previous owner said i can clean it up with 0000 steel wool, since it worked for him. i never had a good experience with it but picked some up anyway. After trying it for a few seconds on a small area, i stopped after noticing it dulled the finish, but after closer observation there are a few of dull areas.
is there a way to undull and shine the frame completely. I used blue magic, but scratches still there even though it looks better, eagle one nvr dull doesnt do anything, even tried mc guiers ultimate compound and it worked a bit. I dont want to get burn to the nickel!!!
Long story short, im almost done taking off all surface rust with a razor blade and wd 40, works wonders! but now the areas that had rust over it , is shiny with perfect chrome while areas around it are dull, from the damage done with 0000 before i got the frame.
I searched online, and people say turtles chrome polish, mothers, nvr dull, blue magic, aluminum foil, and so on. I tired most of these, is there a difinative answer to fix what 0000 steel wool has done?
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#2 2011-06-08 6:12pm
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
The damage is done at this point. As far as I know the only option is to polish the snot out of it with a chrome polish like Blue Magic, Mothers or something similar. Hopefully there is enough chrome there that you do not polish through it. I had the same problem with my DB handle bars, got lucky and got the dull spots out without going through the chrome. Hope this helps, good luck.
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#3 2011-06-08 6:42pm
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
You could try this:
http://www.amazon.com/Dri-Wash-Guard-Pr … B0002T8FI8
It's $15 but this is what car and truck dealerships use, it's not the garbage you buy in an auto parts store, this stuff actually works.
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#4 2011-06-08 8:29pm
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
I've been collecting bikes for 15 or so years and 0000 steal wool should not have scratched up the chrome unless it was poor chrome to begin with, or you used it dry. I always use Windex or liquid metal polish depending on what I'm working on.
If the scratches aren't deep, you should be able to polish them out with a good metal polish and a bench buffer.
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#5 2011-06-08 8:52pm
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
I agree, I've used 0000 for a long time and it works great when wet. You mentioned not having the means to dip it, but are almost done with your project. If there's a next time, and it's not real bad, try this: 
I've been using it for years and it works great.
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#6 2011-06-09 11:06am
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
They must have changed the formula with that turtle wax, when I used it years ago on my Pro Series it left scratches.
I've used 0000 and glass cleaner for years on car windows. TBH I've started to question it though after seeing countless little micro scratches on brand new glass. Before that I always thought the scratches were already there, but not so sure now.
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#7 2011-06-09 11:18am
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
Also, make sure you buy quality steel wool, the cheaper brands can be off and may be rougher than labeled.
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#8 2011-06-09 11:28am
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
a light polishing on a buffer should work but don't polish too long or it'll remove the chrome.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
I'm always a little surprised that people never talk about Bronze wool... There are a few very good reasons to use it.
Steel Wool actually does leave very light swirl marks/fine scratches when used on metal and plated metal. Some guys don't mind and they are quite faint, but you are actually inviting more oxidizing and rust to begin once this has been done.
Bronze wool (because it is softer than metal and plated metals) does not scratch.
Steel Wool itself will begin to oxidize (rust) over time all by itself, and this can cause it to scratch even more. Just the slightest moisture or humidity can cause Steel Wool to begin oxidizing, and it's often hardly noticeable to the naked eye.
I've used a ton of methods to de-rust and polish, but when it comes to steel wool, I will always choose Bronze wool over it for all the above reasons. Just make sure it is "fine" bronze wool. I often use it with a little dab of Mothers polish and it does an amazing job removing rust and polishing at the same time. Just polish away the excess Mothers (once it turns black) with a piano cloth or shammy.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
itsdug wrote:
I agree, I've used 0000 for a long time and it works great when wet. You mentioned not having the means to dip it, but are almost done with your project. If there's a next time, and it's not real bad, try this:
http://www.supremehardware.com/catalog/314941.jpg
I've been using it for years and it works great.
that stuff is the best,have used it since the late 70's!!
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
Wheeljack wrote:
They must have changed the formula with that turtle wax, when I used it years ago on my Pro Series it left scratches.
I've used 0000 and glass cleaner for years on car windows. TBH I've started to question it though after seeing countless little micro scratches on brand new glass. Before that I always thought the scratches were already there, but not so sure now.
they changed the formula,it used to be a brown and you could smell the amonia in it,and it would dry to a flaky residue..the new stuff is a creamy white and is much better!!
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#12 2011-06-11 10:05pm
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
I would never....never.....never use STEEL wool on anything that I did not want to leave fine scratches on (or most Scotch pads for that matter). In car restoration, we use brass, its much softer than the chrome and far less likely to leave any marks. Brass brushes with your rust remover of choice works well and leaves no scratches.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
In my opinion, NOXON 7 works the best in removing surface rust. You can find that at Ace Hardware, and at some auto parts stores. I use it all the time!
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I guess its bump ancient threads day ![]()
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
I am the owl... wrote:
I guess its bump ancient threads day
Its damned if you do and damned if you don't, isn't it?
Newbies get bagged on for not using the search function and asking questions that have been answered a thousand times.
Someone searches, finds a topic they are interested in/have a comment on(without checking the date) and comments on it, bringing it to the top. Others join in and make it a conversation topic again.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
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I am the owl... wrote:
I guess its bump ancient threads day
Its damned if you do and damned if you don't, isn't it?
Newbies get bagged on for not using the search function and asking questions that have been answered a thousand times.
Someone searches, finds a topic they are interested in/have a comment on(without checking the date) and comments on it, bringing it to the top. Others join in and make it a conversation topic again.
Thats what I was just thinking......
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NO not really. Asking a valid new question is one thing. Bumping an ancient thread with info that has already been posted in the same thread is another.....
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Kind of nice though. It reminded me of my personal favorite banned member, Snap. I got a good laugh going back and reading his posts. ![]()
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NO not really. Asking a valid new question is one thing. Bumping an ancient thread with info that has already been posted in the same thread is another.....
Actually the info shared is that the steel wool does not scratch chrome....that is 100% erroneous. But if you prefer to have bad info....well then so be it, your da boss.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
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I am the owl... wrote:
NO not really. Asking a valid new question is one thing. Bumping an ancient thread with info that has already been posted in the same thread is another.....
Actually the info shared is that the steel wool does not scratch chrome....that is 100% erroneous. But if you prefer to have bad info....well then so be it, your da boss.
Actually, the fact that steel wool is bad for chrome and scratches it was covered in post #9 on 6/9/11. That's okay though, it's a long thread, I can see how you missed it.
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XJguy wrote:
I am the owl... wrote:
NO not really. Asking a valid new question is one thing. Bumping an ancient thread with info that has already been posted in the same thread is another.....
Actually the info shared is that the steel wool does not scratch chrome....that is 100% erroneous. But if you prefer to have bad info....well then so be it, your da boss.
Actually, the fact that steel wool is bad for chrome and scratches it was covered in post #9 on 6/9/11. That's okay though, it's a long thread, I can see how you missed it.
Most of the posts are for steel wool, so a person that offers fist hand experience is wrong to contribute his or her knowledge....I see how things work around here. Thanks.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
XJguy wrote:
butcherbobhayes wrote:
XJguy wrote:
Actually the info shared is that the steel wool does not scratch chrome....that is 100% erroneous. But if you prefer to have bad info....well then so be it, your da boss.Actually, the fact that steel wool is bad for chrome and scratches it was covered in post #9 on 6/9/11. That's okay though, it's a long thread, I can see how you missed it.
Most of the posts are for steel wool, so a person that offers fist hand experience is wrong to contribute his or her knowledge....I see how things work around here. Thanks.
Don't worry, I got hung for saying I used steel wool before on rust. They said it damages the chrome. Guess what, if it's rusted the damage is already done in my eyes. I guess 15 years of car restoration is nothing compared to building bicycles. I still use steel wool. I think it works fine. Plus I have never had a customer that has came back saying his chrome has scrathes in it even after they drop +20k on a resto project. Just sayin.
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Re: fix what 0000 steel wool messed up on chrome.
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XJguy wrote:
butcherbobhayes wrote:
Actually, the fact that steel wool is bad for chrome and scratches it was covered in post #9 on 6/9/11. That's okay though, it's a long thread, I can see how you missed it.
Most of the posts are for steel wool, so a person that offers fist hand experience is wrong to contribute his or her knowledge....I see how things work around here. Thanks.
Don't worry, I got hung for saying I used steel wool before on rust. They said it damages the chrome. Guess what, if it's rusted the damage is already done in my eyes. I guess 15 years of car restoration is nothing compared to building bicycles. I still use steel wool. I think it works fine. Plus I have never had a customer that has came back saying his chrome has scrathes in it even after they drop +20k on a resto project. Just sayin.
yes there maybe damage BUT when you remove the rust many time you can't see the damage anymore as the pin holes are very small. BTW I build bikes and have restored cars. Bikes and cars are different in many ways-some chrome damage on a bike you would see on a nice flat bumper but you wouldn't see it on a piece of chrome tubing. I use 0000 Steel wool and chrome polish all the time to do it-as long as you know what you're doing it works great and leaves no swirl marks.
I have also used brass wool, OA baths, and other methods. Depending on what the rust looks like is how I determine what method I use. Those saying 0000 is bad are dead wrong as those who have seen f/f sets in person can attest.
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jbrown1168 wrote:
XJguy wrote:
Most of the posts are for steel wool, so a person that offers fist hand experience is wrong to contribute his or her knowledge....I see how things work around here. Thanks.Don't worry, I got hung for saying I used steel wool before on rust. They said it damages the chrome. Guess what, if it's rusted the damage is already done in my eyes. I guess 15 years of car restoration is nothing compared to building bicycles. I still use steel wool. I think it works fine. Plus I have never had a customer that has came back saying his chrome has scrathes in it even after they drop +20k on a resto project. Just sayin.
yes there maybe damage BUT when you remove the rust many time you can't see the damage anymore as the pin holes are very small. BTW I build bikes and have restored cars. Bikes and cars are different in many ways-some chrome damage on a bike you would see on a nice flat bumper but you wouldn't see it on a piece of chrome tubing. I use 0000 Steel wool and chrome polish all the time to do it-as long as you know what you're doing it works great and leaves no swirl marks.
I have also used brass wool, OA baths, and other methods. Depending on what the rust looks like is how I determine what method I use. Those saying 0000 is bad are dead wrong as those who have seen f/f sets in person can attest.
All of this is true. The reason that I recommend that people don't use it is that most people do not know what they are doing. They just go at it like they are removing some burned food from a pan. Then they end up with ruined chrome and are pissed. Better safe than sorry is how I look at it. I don't want someone giving me hell because I told them to use steel wool.
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