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#1 2011-01-21 1:26pm

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Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Hi guys --

I've been working on a prototype of Flashcaps that'll fit 24" Tuffs, and wanted to ask you guys for some input.  Thanks to the help of a friend in Arizona, Lou Oster, I've been able to resize the center hole to fit around the hub body on the 24's.  Other than changing the hole size, the main problem with using these on 24's is that, because the flanges have 5 'points' and the 24" Tuff has 7 spokes, some of the radial webbing around the hub body will show through the gaps in the flange.  Here's a pic of the test flange laid out on a sketch of a 24" hub that shows pretty much how the webbing will look (I don't own any 24" Tuffs, so I can't show it on an actual mag).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap%20pics%20for%20internet/flashcapwithoutringstraight-on.jpg

An idea I've been putzing around with is to add a thin plastic ring to the back of the Flashcap, to fill in the gaps in the flange & cover the webbing.  Color-wise, at first I was thinking some type of dark smoke-tinted polycarbonate or acrylic, hopefully in a matte finish to avoid glare, in a thickness around
.010" to .020".  Anything thicker would put the flange far enough out from the hub that it might be noticeable.  I've been unable to find any such tinted material this thin, other than window-tinting film, which seems too flimsy.  Plan B is to just use ordinary black plastic sheet, like ABS or styrene, which is available in that thickness range.  Here are a few pics of how the test flange looked on Lou's mag with the plastic ring in place, and with it laid out on the sketch.  Not sure how successful it is.

It also might look far more noticeable on different color Tuffs.  I had hoped to come up with something that would approximate the shadows that you'd see in there on a genuine metal-flanged Tuff, but haven't been able to come up with anything overly realistic.  It's hard to come up with one material that can simulate shadow on different-colored backgrounds.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap%20pics%20for%20internet/flashcapwithringstraight-on.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap%20pics%20for%20internet/24flashcapring.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap%20pics%20for%20internet/24flashcapprototypeonlouswheelstraighton.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap%20pics%20for%20internet/24flashcapprototypeonlouswheelsideview.jpg

Any input or ideas?  I don't know if it'd be better to just scratch the ring idea and let the webbing show.  One could paint the webbing that shows, in order to hide it, but I doubt guys would want to do that -- I know I wouldn't.  A less-intrusive method -- black electrical tape wrapped over the visible parts of the webs -- might hide them a bit, but would be a pain & might look just as fake as a ring would.  And excessive use of tape in that area might interfere with the adhesive that holds the Flashcaps on (using paint on the webs might do that as well, now that I think of it).

Would there be any interest in these without the rings, and the webs showing?  Or any other ideas?
Not sure if the 24's just aren't worth bothering with.

I'd appreciate any input you could offer.

Thank you!

Drew Joseph

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#2 2011-01-21 4:00pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

I'm not sure if you have seen this yet, but I put it in your other thread. smile


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#3 2011-01-21 4:22pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

i actually like it. exspecialy the backing plate that hides the spokes. makes it look alot better.

the one thing that comes to mind is, making the backing plat the same diameter as the outer hub. then you wont have the waveiness tring to fit it within the hub area. it would also add suport to the backing plate as well.

this can also help in the mounting. as you can counter sink holes that will be behind the caps. using long counter sunk bolts will sandwich them to the wheel. making a snug fit. the caps can be mad with a short dowl on the back of the  5 or 3 of the arms with a course thread of sorts.

make pre holes on the backing plate and these dowls can lock in much like a clip that holds the inner fender well on your car. making the caps fit snug on the backing plates and hiding the bolts that hold them on.

your on the right track bro...your almost there.

i grew up in the early 80s of bmx, the alloy hub is what made it for tuff IIs. i know they wasnt cost effective for the company, but it was the eye candy of the tuff wheels and what made them exstreamly popular.

when they did away with the hub, they did away with the eye candy that made them a must have for every bmxer. hind site is 20/20. but i believe it was what cosst them the market on mags, and made the tuffs look just like every other mag out there.

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#4 2011-01-21 4:28pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

rcsnipe2000 wrote:

the one thing that comes to mind is, making the backing plat the same diameter as the outer hub. then you wont have the waveiness tring to fit it within the hub area. it would also add suport to the backing plate as well.



rc

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#5 2011-01-21 4:32pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Instead of 5, why don't you fabricate one with 7. They would look hot, and correct for the wheel!!


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#6 2011-01-21 4:44pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

The premise was to duplicate the look of the old ones. I'd like to see a mock-up of the 7 spoke, though.

Here is his other thread.....

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=269910


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#7 2011-01-21 4:53pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Iceman wrote:

I'd like to see a mock-up of the 7 spoke, though.

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#8 2011-01-21 6:36pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

It just does not look correct with 5. If done correctly, do you really think people are going to count? I would want something that looks corrrect for the wheel.


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#9 2011-01-21 7:04pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

They are not gonna count, but it will catch your eye that something is different. It may look awesome with the seven spoke, we will have to see. cool


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#10 2012-11-04 1:12pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

I had a 7 spoke done from him for my 24's  and it looked real clean, but I prefer the 5 spoke on the 24's as it looks more authentic old school, even if you can see the webbing behind the flange.


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#11 2012-11-04 3:40pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

arizonalouie wrote:

I had a 7 spoke done from him for my 24's  and it looked real clean, but I prefer the 5 spoke on the 24's as it looks more authentic old school, even if you can see the webbing behind the flange.

Sorry man, but that looks like shit if you can see the webbing behind.  It defeats the whole purpose of making them.


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#12 2012-11-04 8:43pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Iceman wrote:

arizonalouie wrote:

I had a 7 spoke done from him for my 24's  and it looked real clean, but I prefer the 5 spoke on the 24's as it looks more authentic old school, even if you can see the webbing behind the flange.

Sorry man, but that looks like shit if you can see the webbing behind.  It defeats the whole purpose of making them.

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#13 2012-11-05 6:44am

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Wouldn't it make more sense to make the back plate out of steel or aluminium sheet? It could be sprayed/anno'd etc to suit the wheel colour. Or do one side coloured and the other black so the customer can choose smile


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#14 2012-11-06 4:28pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

I like the look of the 7 spoke caps for the 24" Tuff wheels.

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#15 2012-11-08 7:46am

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

hi guys --

sorry it's been a while since i've posted.  been putzing with the 24" flashcaps off & on, as i've had time, and here's what i've got:

i call these ones "24s"-es, because the spokes are styled after skyway's own aluminum hubs from back in the day.
i painted some different candy colors, to see what they looked like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/shanesflashcapsriveted.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/goldflashcap24s1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/redflashcap24s1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/blueflashcap24s1.jpg

these are "24c"-s, with more angular spokes to evoke the campy flange look.  it seems to me that this style is more sought-after by my fellow old-schoolers than the skyway-style flange.  these, like the "24s"-es above, leave that plastic ridge around the metal hub body visible.  the ridge is much more noticeable on dark-colored mags.  on white ones, it doesn't look too bad, in my opinion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap24cnon-dished.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap24cnon-dishedangled.jpg

this version of the 24c is a workaround that allows that plastic ridge to be covered up.  that ridge has been tough to deal with.  i counterbored the back side of the flange a bit around the center hole, to swallow part of the height of that ridge, and then dished the flange a bit to account for the rest.  i'm curious to hear if this solution appeals to anyone.  i've seen those really thick flanges, with a counterbored back that hides the ridge, that someone else is making, but to me, the overall thickness of their flange doesn't look quite right (no disrespect intended).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap24cdished.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/flashcap24cdishedangled.jpg

and, last, here's a pic of a 5-spoke flashcap on a 24" wheel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/chunkstyle/5-spokeflashcap242.jpg

i'd appreciate any input on these.  thank you!

drew

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#16 2012-11-08 9:30am

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

this version of the 24c is a workaround that allows that plastic ridge to be covered up

I like they way this one looks much better


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#17 2012-11-08 9:54am

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Nicework Chunkstyle.  Glad you came on here and posted your work.  I've considered making these myself.

IMO - it's got to be 7 fingered.  Also, the 24c vs. 24 makes no real difference IMO.

Have you considered the possiblity of making a complete ring around the outer diameter?  I know that is not the original look, but being able to see the ends of the fingers is not either.  I don't know if it would be better...just a thought.


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#18 2012-11-08 4:21pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

The 24c looks good to me.

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#19 2012-11-08 10:14pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Nice work Drew!!!!cool
I like the 5 spoke because I have black 24's. 
I dont think the webbing being seen behind the cap will be as apparent with black. Other colors will show the webbing more (Thats where the 24 C or 24 S comes in!)
Put me down for a raw 5 spoke.

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#20 2012-11-08 10:21pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

arizonalouie wrote:

Nice work Drew!!!!cool
I like the 5 spoke because I have black 24's. 
I dont think the webbing being seen behind the cap will be as apparent with black. Other colors will show the webbing more (Thas where the 24 C or 24 S comes in!)
Put me down for a raw 5 spoke.

I am sure you would do well listing these in the Old for sale and Beta Section when you get all the input and forum feedback squared away.
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#21 2012-11-08 11:11pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

PS, I dont care about seeing the raised lip if you want to off the proto.
Thanks Drew.

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#22 2012-11-08 11:28pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Love the 24c with the dish to it! That's awesome attention to detail! What colors and how much can we expect to pay?

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#23 2012-11-10 4:58am

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

I like these:

i call these ones "24s"-es, because the spokes are styled after skyway's own aluminum hubs from back in the day.

...and I want 2 sets big_smile


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#24 2012-11-10 5:02am

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#25 2012-11-12 5:36pm

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Re: Working on prototype for Flashcaps to fit 24" Tuffs -- input, please

Let's get some more suggestions for Drew.  big_smile

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