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We have been working on putting together an S&M Widowmaker registry. So far we have 34 Widowmakers, and 9 Pre-Widowmaker cruisers known to exist. If you would like to be added to the registry, PM me or Ryan Partridge with your serial number, and photo and we will put your rare cruiser on the list. We would like to see what kind of pattern S&M used when serial numbering these.

Registry Updated 09-25-12

1991 PRE-WIDOWMAKER CRUISER:(3 digit serial on left dropout, made by Johnny Severin)

1. profilerider - 017
2. RyanPartridge - 020 (OG finish & stickers) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/59005
3. ILLISS - 026 http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.p … 5#p1966005
4. kcmobmx - 037 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/13137
5. 1pccrank - 039
6. S&M collecter so cal - 087 (later machined headtube) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/31226
7. powersbikeshop - 093 (factory blue paint, later machined headtube) http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.p … 3#p2754503
8. dirtbikes - 099 (machined headtube, large plate gusset added to headtube) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/61333/1
9. GAry - 104

1993 WIDOWMAKER FRAMES:(Non-Gusseted, double sandwich dropouts)

1. Alex Leech - SMC 2005 (serial stamped on left dropout, funky back end)
2. PaulK - SMC 2033
3. S&M BEN - SMC 2038 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/46183
4. lipshtzz - SMC 2058
5. mach01 - SMC2071 (non drilled widow fork)
6. papalone13 - SMC 2086 (drops welded outside only, non drilled fork)
7. 1pccrank - SMC 2093
8. Nbl 49a - SMC 2094 (dropouts welded inside & out)
9. Leatherman - SMC 2097 (dropouts welded inside & out)
10. adampjack - SMC 2103 (dropouts welded inside & out)

1994 WIDOWMAKER FRAMES:(Gussets, single thick dropouts/welded inside and outside)

11. BMXplus - SMC 2128 (factory yellow paint)
12. drchopper - SMC 2129 (factory yellow paint) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/38238
13. slhut - SMC 2131 (factory yellow paint) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/51214
14. papalone13 - SMC 2134 (factory green paint) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/48542
15. cannonball - SMC 2141 (factory yellow paint, non drilled widow fork) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/48541
16. Clayton from Backpeddling - SMC 2145 (factory green paint)
17. cannonball - SMC 2147 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/7421
18. Scraplord - SMC 2153 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/46759
19. seko - SMC 2160 (non drilled widow fork) http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/29028
20. nic968 - SMC 2166
21. bsmith - SMC 2168 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/44693
22. cannonball - SMC 2174
23. Cullen - SMC 2177
24. toy24 - SMC 2180 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/50509
25. kentuckywidowmaker - SMC 2183
26. xxxzeemoneyxxx - SMC 2184 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/31188
27. socaldude - SMC 2193 (Canti brake mounts, cable guides added after chrome)
28. Leatherman - SMC 2195
29. LOC - SMC 2204
30. Immortis - SMC 2208 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/27389
31. Quadzilla vs. - SMC 2214
32. GAry - SMC 2225
33. fallriverbmxer - SMC 2235 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/55441
34. wds - SMC 2236 http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/6615

Last edited by seko (2012-09-25 3:28pm)

Miko · 2010-03-20 4:33pm

seko wrote:
...I would like to see what kind of pattern S&M used when serial numbering these. I believe my Widow to be the 60th made.

I think the number scheme was whatever B&E used that day. I have a feeling B&E stamped a bin of dropouts for each brand and style of frame and grabbed from the pile whenever they did a run of a particular frame. Making for some out of sequence production. I could be wrong.

A good example of B&E's grab anything manufacturing is in this thread about Badd and Company...
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=208701

Hopefully one day I can be a part of the registry.

ENVIROGUY430 · 2010-03-20 6:20pm

S&M Widowmaker Serial number. Like an ASS I sold it.

seko · 2010-03-20 7:41pm

Miko wrote:
seko wrote:
...I would like to see what kind of pattern S&M used when serial numbering these. I believe my Widow to be the 60th made.
I think the number scheme was whatever B&E used that day. I have a feeling B&E stamped a bin of dropouts for each brand and style of frame and grabbed from the pile whenever they did a run of a particular frame. Making for some out of sequence production. I could be wrong.

A good example of B&E's grab anything manufacturing is in this thread about Badd and Company...
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=208701

Hopefully one day I can be a part of the registry.

So far the dropout serials are pretty much a consistant pattern.I only have 3 serials so far. If I was to make an educated guess, I would say SMC stands for S&M cruiser. 21 being the length of the top tube. And the last 2 digits being the actual run number. Once again, this is just a guess. But if its true, we could say at least 74 were made. Please send me those serial numbers so we can get a better idea of how they numbered the Widows.

SMC2160
SMC2166
SMC2174

markanthony · 2010-03-20 7:46pm

Dangit!!!
The wife is gonna get tired of my gotta get this one story.I know where one is 24inch built pretty nice sitting I think it's for sale.
What's the story with these things?
Rare Huhh.

Quadzilla vs. · 2010-03-20 7:50pm

I have SMC2214

wds · 2010-03-20 8:07pm

SMC2236
SMC does stand for S&M Cruiser I Beliive. But the first two numbers don't seem to have any relevance with TT length. My TT seems to be closer to 21.25 as well.
-Bill

sanddad · 2010-03-22 7:50am

Here is mine. SMC2103

seko · 2010-03-22 3:18pm

sanddad wrote:
Here is mine. SMC2103
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM078.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM071.jpg

Congratulations Sandad!!!!! You officially own the earliest known Widowmaker.

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sanddad · 2010-03-22 6:06pm

seko wrote:
sanddad wrote:
Here is mine. SMC2103
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM078.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM071.jpg
Congratulations Sandad!!!!! You officially own the earliest known Widowmaker.

Thanks to BMXKID for parting with this.
Still in need of green anno hubs for it. anybody?

S&M BEN · 2010-03-22 6:23pm

I just posted pics of mine SMC2038 very early one without gusset! They should all be 21 1/4"tt

Also mine has a one off pitchfork, the guy I bought the F&F bent the original fork and S&M made a new for
him with a plug welded in the bottom to stiffin it up! Kinda like a plug on top of Stupid/Menstrual forks!

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matt thomas · 2010-03-22 6:24pm

mine is SMC2168. i was also the owner of 2166. i owned both at once, but i knew one of them had to be passed on to someone else. it just didnt seem fair to have both of them:lol:
pitchfork
mint redneck
early gays
gt stamped profiles
redline flight sprocket
selle italia turbo
unknown post
gt clamp
s&m pedals. dx's someday???
gt rhythm system wheels that i hate. maybe someday i'll spend a pile of money on a proper set
dirt monster tires until i spend more money on comp III's

jayoldmanbmx · 2010-03-22 6:30pm

seko wrote:
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu34 … CN1104.jpg
I've been working on putting together an S&M Widowmaker registry. So far I have 17 known Widowmakers known to exist. Out of the 17 bikes I only have 2 serial numbers. If you would like a list of these bikes with serial numbers, PM me with your serial # and I will PM you a the list. I would like to see what kind of pattern S&M used when serial numbering these. I believe my Widow to be the 60th made.

niiiiiiiiice!!!

rockabillyjay · 2010-03-22 8:06pm

SMC2094

powersbikeshop · 2010-03-22 8:47pm

I HAVE A BUDDY THAT HAS A WIDOW MAKER TOO, THAT IS NOT A MEMBER ON HERE, AND IM SLOWLY WORKING ON GETTING IT FROM HIM FOR MY COLLECTIONS

furious_01 · 2010-03-22 9:06pm

fugg... if any of yalll ever think about selling ur widowmaker... LMK

GAry · 2010-03-22 9:15pm

hmm, when did the front gussett start, how many of each type..

S&M BEN · 2010-03-23 8:35am

Gary, I would like to find that out to! I read somewhere that Kelly Baker? stated the earlier ones didnt
have the triangle gusset and based on the serial numbers looks to be correct but no info on how may of each.

rockabillyjay · 2010-03-23 9:00am

sanddad wrote:
seko wrote:
sanddad wrote:
Here is mine. SMC2103
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM078.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm38 … /SM071.jpg
Congratulations Sandad!!!!! You officially own the earliest known Widowmaker.
Thanks to BMXKID for parting with this.
Still in need of green anno hubs for it. anybody?

hit up Erole for hubs..I think he may have a set of green PMC hubs for sale...

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=206527

Last edited by rockabillyjay (2010-03-23 9:03am)

rockabillyjay · 2010-03-23 12:36pm

..maybe you can note gusset or no gusset next to the serial #s...

seko · 2010-03-23 12:39pm

rockabillyjay wrote:
..maybe you can note gusset or no gusset next to the serial #s...

OK... Just edited the registry with the info I have.

Last edited by seko (2010-03-23 12:43pm)

bmxkid · 2010-03-23 12:42pm

sanddad's is non gusset for sure

rockabillyjay · 2010-03-23 12:50pm

Is Gary's 104 really SMC2104? right after sanddad's?

seko · 2010-03-23 12:58pm

rockabillyjay wrote:
Is Gary's 104 really SMC2104? right after sanddad's?

I dont know. He sent me both of his serials. GAry please confirm......?

1pccrank · 2010-03-24 5:22pm

SMC 2093, no gusset.

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