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#1 2009-10-05 8:57am

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Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

OK. ive been doing a good bit of research on redlines famous V bars.
many here claim that any v bar thats 28" wide is really a STR series bar.
hopfully this thread will clear the sizes up.


first up. lest look at the old 81/82 redline ad with greg hill.
this was before stu joined redline and before the STR line up.
http://i37.tinypic.com/29blyyx.jpg

notice in the ad it says the v bar comes in two sizes.
(micro line and pro line) and three finishes.
also notice how much larger his bars are on his
redline then the bars he is holding. the plate hides
his bars but it makes sense these would be
the pro line bars (you can pretty much see the
V bar shape behind the translucent plate).

here are the two sizes next to each other.
http://i37.tinypic.com/vmr96t.jpg
micro line top, proline STR bottom.
top bar is 23" wide, bottom is 28" wide

***before post was edited, the 26" wide bar was the microline and the 28" wide bar was called the proline.***

correct names for bars widths are -

24" wide are called microline
26" wide bars are called proline
28" wide are called proline STR

99% of all redline bars will have two kinds of stamps.
either the redline oval stamp or the redline font stamp.
http://i34.tinypic.com/2q1c32v.jpg
my proline STR bars have the oval stamp only. the bars in this pic are 28" wide

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ciivlt.jpg
my micro line bars have the redline font. the bars in this pic are 24" wide

ive heard some early redline v bars have the cigar stamp.
ive not seen this and i dont have pics so im not referencing
them here.

none of the above bars are the stamped "STR series" bars.
STR bars come in the exact same size and bends as
the large proline bar shown above.


http://i41.tinypic.com/28utpi9.jpg
2nd from left is my strait cross bar and they are stamped STR series.
(far left are redlines freestyle U bars, far right are the micro line v bars).

now to make things worse...

redline also made the STR bar unstamped.
this model only had the stu thompson sticker.
the shape and size of these are exact to the other
pro line v bars. they just have no stamp of any kind
and they came in both v-bar and strait bar flavors

i hope this clears up some confusion around here over redlines V bars.

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#2 2009-10-05 9:38am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

to add to your post, the proline size is 26" wide and micro's are 23" wide.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/nak302/2008_0722001.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/nak302/2008_0722003.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/nak302/2008_0722004.jpg

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#3 2009-10-05 10:14am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

if microlines are 23" wide and prolines are 26" wide.
what are the 28" wide bars ?

and the ad only says two sizes, so where did the 3rd size come from and when did this 3rd size come out ?
i edited my first post to show the sizes of my bars.

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#4 2009-10-05 10:46am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

i'd say the 28" wide bars are the STR bars from 1983 on, but i'm not 100% sure as i have not researched them yet.
the buyers guide in the october 1982 edition of bmx action mag lists the 2 sizes as 26" pro and 23" micro.

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#5 2009-10-05 10:52am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

if what your saying is true, then the greg hill ad shows him holding the 23" wide micro line bars
while the bike he is on has the 26" wide redline bars.

heh... and here i was thinking this thread would clear up some stuff lolmad

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#6 2009-10-05 10:53am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

I have no facts to add,but the bars that proline ll posted appear to the have same bend on the bottom as what I see in old magazines from '78.What is truly strange is that Draw's 28" bars have an oval stamp,but look and are sized more like 80s era bars.


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#7 2009-10-05 10:55am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

and i also got a set of str bars and a set of unstamped str bars (decaled).
both are the exact same width and have the same bar bends (except one is a v bar and the other is a strait bar).

i did not want to add pics of those bars because i think (thought) they came later then the two V bars i posted.
my oval stamped bars are earlier then the 3 e line font bars.

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#8 2009-10-05 11:01am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

When this is worked out with a good time line,you should post it in the reference and research forum.Has anyone seen nickle plated V bars?


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#9 2009-10-05 11:03am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

my micro bars have the older style font stamp, whereas my proline bars have the early 80's font stamp. i also have a set of NOS red micro's that are the exact shape and size as the chrome micro's in my pic, just way prettier big_smile

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/nak302/2008_0722006.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/nak302/2008_0722005.jpg

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#10 2009-10-05 11:44am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

My STR V-bars were wider than my Prolines.  28" vs. 26" wide.


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#11 2009-10-05 12:43pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

and your str bars were stamped str, right ?

i guess the question that needs to be asked is -
what year did redline make the 28" wide v bar ??

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#12 2009-10-06 4:26am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

Draw wrote:

and your str bars were stamped str, right ?

i guess the question that needs to be asked is -
what year did redline make the 28" wide v bar ??

Yes they were stamped STR.  I have since sold mine, but my brother still has a set I got for him.


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#13 2009-10-06 4:32am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

Draw wrote:

i guess the question that needs to be asked is -
what year did redline make the 28" wide v bar ??

the first STR advertisement i've seen was in a mid year edition of bmx action 1983. take into account about 3 months leadtime for the mag, i'd suggest early 1983 for those bars.

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#14 2009-10-07 7:47am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

ok. they were made a good bit behind the smaller v bars.

so the greg ad has him holding the real small 23" wide bars
and his bike has the 26" wide bars. i guess this is what threw me.
i thought his bars would be the big 28" wide bars.

and the 3 line E font is older then the redline oval stamp.


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#15 2009-12-10 6:36am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

I think it's strange for the Ovel badge to come after the "3 line E" Badge, looking at Redline Liveries like a 79' or 80' MXII for example Oval Redline stickers, then look at 84' Proline with the =REDLINE= Stickers.


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#16 2009-12-10 6:47am

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the oval is newer ...dang


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#17 2009-12-10 9:55am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

oops.. i should proof read my crap more.

and the 3 line E font is older then the redline oval stamp.???

this was suppose to be a question. meaning im asking if the oval is newer or older then the 3 line E font.
did redline started using the 3 line E font late 79 ???

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#18 2009-12-10 5:12pm

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The ovals are before the 3 line style.  Anyone have a nice chrome set of Microlines they will sell???


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#19 2009-12-10 8:13pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

Ahhh... The V-bar!!! smile

A great piece of BMX history! This is a good thread... Some great stuff going on here.

From my research, the earliest ads I could find for V-Bars appeared in December of 1977. I'll attach a pic of that one. I'm still not exactly certain when they first came out.

Also, I'm told the very first V-Bars were Nickel. I've found evidence of this but I've also seen some very early ads for colored ones too. Unfortunately, I can't nail down the dates for the colored ones...

My biggest question was/has been trying to determine if the stamped V-Bars were the first version. Or if the first ones had no stamp. I'm pretty sure the older stamp is the oval one though...

I'm very interested in knowing more about all this. Once it's been cleared up, we can move on to deciphering the Webco serial numbers... Yeah, right. tongue

December '77:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/dec77bmxa1.jpg

Exact date, unknown:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/nov82bars.jpg

A couple of mine:

These are Nickel:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC08079.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC08080.jpg

Also Nickel:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC06959.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC06967.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC06963.jpg


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#20 2009-12-11 8:04am

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

i wonder if the stamp location would be a factor in its timeline ??

your nickel bars have the stamp on the right side of the bar.
all my stamped bars have the stamp on the left side of the bar.

*edit*

those bottom bars are the very early ones.
look at how low the v cross bar is on the bar.
its a good bit lower then all the other v bar locations
in the other pics. thats means they are very early.

they also have a different 'oval' stamp.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/mongoosedrummer/DSC08080.jpg
early oval (note hte open ends of the oval and no line between above or below the redline name)

http://i34.tinypic.com/2q1c32v.jpg
late oval (i believe these would be on 1982 or later bars)

i would think the 3 E line font would be between these two styles.

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#21 2009-12-11 5:43pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

I see what you're saying... This thread is sure quiet. Sad to see that so few people can add to this. sad


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#22 2010-01-21 2:21pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

if there's no stamp at all, should I assume it's not a genuine redline product?

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#23 2010-01-21 3:11pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

JeF wrote:

if there's no stamp at all, should I assume it's not a genuine redline product?

I had a v-bar with no stamp, but the geometry was the same as a stamped one I had and the welds on the cross bar looked identical. Could the non stamped bars be earlier versions than the oval ones. I recall back in the day the Redline v-bars had only an oval sticker, I could be remembering wrong, IDK. hmm


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#24 2010-01-21 11:21pm

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Re: Redline V bar sizes shown and explained.

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#25 2010-01-22 7:51am

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i was wondering the same thing about no stamp.  i made one of those great finds last year: I was in Las Cruces New Mexico and wondered into a pawn shop.  Lady had a Redline MXIII.  Very dusty but man it cleaned up well. Was marked for $35. I offerd $25 and she took $20.  All parts appeared to be era correct.  even brake cable was stamped in the 80s.  Had UKAi rims, skyway finned brake pads, brute stem, fluted aluminum seat post, redline seat, Takagi TRX forks (i think i got that right), sugino maxi-cross cranks and blue v-bars. the v-bars are very little though and hard to control. i can't find a stamp on them but i assume they are genuine given fact that all parts on bike seem era correct and are mostly redline brand.  i love that bike but wish i could tell what year it is and if v-bars are the real deal.

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